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**ryanpgroovy** · 10-22-2004, 05:40 PM

I am curious if there is still a market for memory that loves high voltages ( similar to winbond BH and OCZ EB ).

Weve been working on the special formula for high voltage lovin product here and I have a few beta samples - check out the benches these are at 3.3 ( 466 CL 2 ) and 4.0 volts ( 540 3-2-2 ) respectively using the DDR booster.

These are on a beat up Asus P4C800. I just did them at the end of the day when the betas arrived ;-)

heading home now guys , let me know what you think....

**craig588** · 10-22-2004, 05:48 PM

So you are planning on selling off the BH5 chips that fail at stock voltage and say that they require 3.3V? As long as it gets more BH5 chips into the market I guess its not too terrible, just don't charge the same price as you would for normal ram that passes clock tests with nominal volts.

**ryanpgroovy** · 10-22-2004, 05:49 PM

No , These are not BH-5 ( BH are no longer in production) , they are new OCZ chips that behave like BH-5, or like the Microns we use to use for EB.

**xgman** · 10-22-2004, 05:51 PM

Sounds like fun Ryan.

But you would be hard pressed to get my 3700ELPlats out of my box.

**xgman** · 10-22-2004, 05:53 PM

Only thing I would be concerned about on AMD64 boards is the overvoltage protection on many 939 boards and the memory controller on the cpu die. It's been difficult to run anything over 3v on most A64 boards so far. I guess Intels don't have as much of a problem with that.

**WesM63** · 10-22-2004, 05:53 PM

ryan,
Am i missing something? Most EB will do 250mhz but not at those timings. Is more voltage required for lower timings? I've always ran mine at the spec'd timings.

**xgman** · 10-22-2004, 06:00 PM

The EB's (micron) and EL's (tccd) etc. won't normall'y respond well to voltage over 3v.

**saaya** · 10-22-2004, 06:28 PM

how do they perform with 2.85v? do they still run at acceptable speeds but with lower timings and just need the volts to run with lower latency? can they take 4v for a long time?

**mrlobber** · 10-22-2004, 11:20 PM

Well since we had benches here, BH-5 2-2-2 270 fsb to equal TCCD 2.5-3-3-7 300fsb, if OCZ could came out with something like 300fsb 2.5-2-2 (if that's possible at all with presently available DDR memory), the product would have a bright future... (for serious benchers only, though, because the not-so-xteme guys probably still would opt for TCCD memory.

**Tony** · 10-23-2004, 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by mrlobber

Well since we had benches here, BH-5 2-2-2 270 fsb to equal TCCD 2.5-3-3-7 300fsb, if OCZ could came out with something like 300fsb 2.5-2-2 (if that's possible at all with presently available DDR memory), the product would have a bright future... (for serious benchers only, though, because the not-so-xteme guys probably still would opt for TCCD memory.

Everyone want 300fsb 2-2-2 1:1....I don't think we will see that soon with ddr1 but I would love to be proven wrong.
These modules need juice...they are spec'd to run juiced up so you probably won't like the timings they run with sub3V.

**megahurtz-oc** · 10-23-2004, 07:31 AM

hell i feed em 12 volts if needed bring em on.

**saaya** · 10-23-2004, 08:14 AM

hmmmm 270mhz 3-2-2... hmmm are they as fast as bh5 at 270 2-2-2? or eb at 270 2.5-2-2?

it sounds like they can compete with tccd at 300mhz, but thats right now... in some weeks tccd might run DDR700... who knows? didnt samsung switch to 90nm recently?

i think this memory could compete with tccd, but its not that much faster than tccd at 300 i guess, so it wont be that successfull. especially since it needs a lot of volts wich kinda requires a ddr booster.

i dont think it would be very successfull... just get a license from winbond to manufacture bh chips and then send the blueprints to samsung and let them build bh chips in 90nm

**Mauri Antero** · 10-23-2004, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by saaya

hmmmm 270mhz 3-2-2... hmmm are they as fast as bh5 at 270 2-2-2? or eb at 270 2.5-2-2?

no no no

bh-5 and Sandra shot

**WeStSiDePLaYa** · 10-23-2004, 08:57 AM

seems like alot of voltage for a low fsb. would rather pay from bh-5 or tccd. really i dont want to have to push 4.0v thru a a64 mem controller just to get some decent speed. any way to see some good binned TCCD with some EB pcb?

**ryanpgroovy** · 10-23-2004, 10:14 AM

I think these are probably more suited to people who want 2-2-2 in the 420-466 range , than to super high fsb, as they should run in that range with midly high voltages ( 3.1-3.2 ) .

Dont mind those benches much I was just trying to show that they were benchable and have no tweaks on spent about 15 minutes playing with them only.

right now the Best of our TCCD are going in to plat 3700 ;-)

also about EB , EB do respond well to voltage up to about 3.2

**Shade00** · 10-23-2004, 10:19 AM

This RAM sounds pretty bizarre, but I wouldn't mind feeding 3.3+ to them.

**eva2000** · 10-23-2004, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by ryanpgroovy

I am curious if there is still a market for memory that loves high voltages ( similar to winbond BH and OCZ EB ).

Weve been working on the special formula for high voltage lovin product here and I have a few beta samples - check out the benches these are at 3.3 ( 466 CL 2 ) and 4.0 volts ( 540 3-2-2 ) respectively using the DDR booster.

These are on a beat up Asus P4C800. I just did them at the end of the day when the betas arrived ;-)

heading home now guys , let me know what you think....

well it's a start... OCZ improvements and tweaks and see 285mhz 3-2-2-6 at 3.3v would be nice heheh ....

i'm having loads of fun these days with enough vcore/vdimm via DFI NF3 250Gb and OCZ DDR Boosters on my DFI, P4C800-E etc hehe

**ryanpgroovy** · 10-23-2004, 10:31 AM

They certainly are bizarre. Just wondering what we should do with them

**OPPAINTER** · 10-23-2004, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by ryanpgroovy

I am curious if there is still a market for memory that loves high voltages ( similar to winbond BH and OCZ EB ).

I have been running my BH-5 at 3.75V alot lately, 6 hours of abuse yesterday.
So yes, if the Ram does good timings and high MHz there's a market for them.
Doesn't matter what the voltage

OPP

**mrlobber** · 10-23-2004, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by megahurtz-oc

hell i feed em 12 volts if needed bring em on.

A direct 12v mod from the PSU?

**Shade00** · 10-23-2004, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by ryanpgroovy

They certainly are bizarre. Just wondering what we should do with them

Put em in the mail to me. I can put them to good use.

**Kunaak** · 10-23-2004, 12:47 PM

the way I see it is, if theres a way to make fast ram at low voltages, then thats better.
using high voltages was just a side effect of wanting high speed ram, with good cas latency. it wasn't something people seek out, cause they like it.
thy do it, cause to get things like DDR 550, cas 2-2-2 ram you just needed tons of voltage.

but when possible, I'd rather have fast ram, at lower voltages.

**megahurtz-oc** · 10-23-2004, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by ryanpgroovy

right now the Best of our TCCD are going in to plat 3700 ;-)

will the 3700 plats run timings like the gskill at 280ish?

**Popcicle** · 10-23-2004, 02:07 PM

Hi Ryan...

Long time no speak my man.

Sell me a couple of these Beta's and I'll beat 'em up for you and see
what they will do.

Got a Booster to torch 'em with.

DFI 250 UT will only let me have the Booster and 1 stick at a time.

I didn't jump to A64 soon enough and missed the boat on the EB supply.

Your TCCD is moving to 3700 Plat.... sounds good. I'll be looking.

Need a new challenge.

Cheers.

**eshbach** · 10-26-2004, 06:42 AM

do these chips ever stop liking voltage or just get too hot too continue? you go up to 4v, but let's say we have a board with a straight feed from the 5v rail... would they continue to scale well from 4.0v to 4.5v+?

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