something new about XSOS ?

[blubbpeter]

yeah, the title says everything

nnstep could you post some sentence about the beta testing progess ?

[EnJoY]

yeah, the title says everything

nnstep could you post some sentence about the beta testing progess ?

I second this. I was eager to try v3.0 once it was released. Figured it could be a good gaming and daily use OS without the crap.

[nn_step]

beta testing and OS development is going at a slightly slower pace than originally expected. However I believe the wait will be worth it. Unfortunately Microsoft didn't seem to keep their DX10 specification uniform, so we are working to fix that. It will be well worth it.

[blubbpeter]

do you have any expectations when it will be released to the public ?

[nn_step]

do you have any expectations when it will be released to the public ?

at this point my only expectation is that it is released when it is properly finished

[ownage]

I've heard some things about XSOS, but the hole XSOS thing is not clear for me (dont know the proper english word).
doesn't XSOS have a public website for information??
from what i heard XSOS runs on a hybrid kernel (linux, bsd, minix code), and Microsoft supports the XSOS project. Is this correct?

[nn_step]

I've heard some things about XSOS, but the hole XSOS thing is not clear for me (dont know the proper english word).
doesn't XSOS have a public website for information??
from what i heard XSOS runs on a hybrid kernel (linux, bsd, minix code), and Microsoft supports the XSOS project. Is this correct?

1) it did but ultimately they did nothing to end the questions
2) XSOS has several versions, each which perform specific functions well

[blubbpeter]

thx for your answers

[G.Foyle]

Microsoft supports the XSOS project. Is this correct?

nn_step, what about this part of his question?

[nn_step]

nn_step, what about this part of his question?

it is true

[G.Foyle]

Thank you.

at this point my only expectation is that it is released when it is properly finished

I can't help but notice certain similarity to certain game title, and it's release date.

[Sorrow13]

cough ut cough?

[Nanometer]

at this point my only expectation is that it is released when it is properly finished

We aren't expecting anyone to release unfinished software, I hope . But would it be too much to get an estimation of when we will actually be able to use the OS? A month? Six months? Just curious, so that the same questions that get asked week after week, " when is it coming and is it finished," can be reduced. If you implied that that it's too difficult to project a release date already, then I apologize.

[nn_step]

We aren't expecting anyone to release unfinished software, I hope . But would it be too much to get an estimation of when we will actually be able to use the OS? A month? Six months? Just curious, so that the same questions that get asked week after week, " when is it coming and is it finished," can be reduced. If you implied that that it's too difficult to project a release date already, then I apologize.

well according to our current Beta testers, the day we started testing it was usable. However I have set high goals for this project and it should be done in the next couple months. However that is assuming certain things happen according to plan...

[XSAlliN]

nn_step - I don't know any facts of your relations with M$, but how could M$ support your OS when you spread all this negative words about M$ and their Windows, every weak or even day you speak about the weak points of Windows, I mean - I SEE NO LOGIC in this, why would M$ share you a weapon to slow there profits, cause if XSOS is everything you say it is, some might even skip Vista.

From my knowledge M$ is ready to pay a couple of million $ per day instead of sharing their source code, that's just what happened after a couple of years of marketing in Europe and now, you tell us it helps you with support for your project, if Windows is M$ bible then you are one of his Antichrists (no offense), you must admit you don't have just a small problem with Windows (M$) you hate it, I mean really hate it, can't say I blame your for that but how is this possible: M$ supporting XSOS when things are like they are.

I'd really appreciate a clean/good answer, one that all could understand.

[Kurz]

I believe it is this.

That is because Microsoft is probably thinking just like Intel did. Intel made two designs for their processors one is netburst the other is Conroe.

Microsoft is just outsourcing development. I wonder if NN_step is getting paid, I say yes he is getting paid to do this.

Since NN step is only releasing to forums which at most will get probably get 50,000 users at most. This number might seem big however we are but a small minority. We make up about what 1% of all sales they could've sold.
This is a small sacrifice for development of a potential new OS.

So I can see Microsoft pulling the plug as soon as they like what they see from XSOS, then stripping it of its code to make it into their next OS.

NN_step you can fix anything that is wrong.
But looking at other industries this seems to be common.

[nn_step]

nn_step - I don't know any facts of your relations with M$, but how could M$ support your OS when you spread all this negative words about M$ and their Windows, every weak or even day you speak about the weak points of Windows, I mean - I SEE NO LOGIC in this, why would M$ share you a weapon to slow there profits, cause if XSOS is everything you say it is, some might even skip Vista.

From my knowledge M$ is ready to pay a couple of million $ per day instead of sharing their source code, that's just what happened after a couple of years of marketing in Europe and now, you tell us it helps you with support for your project, if Windows is M$ bible then you are one of his Antichrists (no offense), you must admit you don't have just a small problem with Windows (M$) you hate it, I mean really hate it, can't say I blame your for that but how is this possible: M$ supporting XSOS when things are like they are.

I'd really appreciate a clean/good answer, one that all could understand.

I believe it is this.

That is because Microsoft is probably thinking just like Intel did. Intel made two designs for their processors one is netburst the other is Conroe.

Microsoft is just outsourcing development. I wonder if NN_step is getting paid, I say yes he is getting paid to do this.

Since NN step is only releasing to forums which at most will get probably get 50,000 users at most. This number might seem big however we are but a small minority. We make up about what 1% of all sales they could've sold.
This is a small sacrifice for development of a potential new OS.

So I can see Microsoft pulling the plug as soon as they like what they see from XSOS, then stripping it of its code to make it into their next OS.

NN_step you can fix anything that is wrong.
But looking at other industries this seems to be common.

The Official reasons for their acceptance of this project and my current relationship with Microsoft are not public, nor will I make them public information before the specified end in our contract.
Unofficially and off the record, Microsoft has come to a realization about how much in danger some of their markets are. Hence they contracted the FULL team (and the team isn't a small one by any measure)

[XSAlliN]

If there is a contract in the middle those that mean, that XSOS might belong to M$ - if they desire?

[nn_step]

If there is a contract in the middle those that mean, that XSOS might belong to M$ - if they desire?

The rights to the source code of V1-V3 are Microsoft property, that is technically correct. V4 is going to be under GNU

[XSAlliN]

Fair enough - I guess

[Sparky]

I don't mind waiting. Sure I would like to see it available as soon as possible, but I'd prefer waiting a little longer for a good thing than getting it now and having to patch it to death later like certain MS operating systems or EA games (which I guess don't always get patched anyway lol)

[Slammin]

Well, maybe one day there will be an XSOS that we can all see, but I'm not holding my breath over it. I mean, with all this secrecy, wouldn't it have been better to not even mention it until it was closer to fruition?

Sure, there was a call for beta testers, but as far as I can tell, those testers, for whatever reason (NDA?), are just as secretive about it. Talk about cloak & dagger!

Again, the hype for me has worn off. Not to the point that I think this is a total sham, but I do think it is a little shady, at least.

Not meaning to offend, but every thread I read about XSOS has the same theme, where even common features or functionality that anyone would expect from an OS cannot even be discussed. Zero info, other than, we'll like it

[nn_step]

Well, maybe one day there will be an XSOS that we can all see, but I'm not holding my breath over it. I mean, with all this secrecy, wouldn't it have been better to not even mention it until it was closer to fruition?

Sure, there was a call for beta testers, but as far as I can tell, those testers, for whatever reason (NDA?), are just as secretive about it. Talk about cloak & dagger!

Again, the hype for me has worn off. Not to the point that I think this is a total sham, but I do think it is a little shady, at least.

Not meaning to offend, but every thread I read about XSOS has the same theme, where even common features or functionality that anyone would expect from an OS cannot even be discussed. Zero info, other than, we'll like it

we have in the most basic methods have discussed basic system functions and features. However specific details aren't given because many of them have and probably will change in a few manners before we get to release.

[Kurz]

So I am to take that XSOS v4 wont have DX10?
Curious why not make a plugin for Direct10 and have it under a different license. So as soon as microsoft pulls the plug all you have to do is get rid of DX10? Unless you arent allowed to distribute DX10 by itself.

[nn_step]

So I am to take that XSOS v4 wont have DX10?
Curious why not make a plugin for Direct10 and have it under a different license. So as soon as microsoft pulls the plug all you have to do is get rid of DX10? Unless you arent allowed to distribute DX10 by itself.

DX10 is too closely tied to the Windows API and is literally systematically covered by over 231,619 patents. The only way a DX10 Game will work on Linux is if about 50 of the API's system calls are not used