Official X1950/X1650 Info Thread

[perkam]

Pics of some variations of X1950XTX also included:





http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/news.php?tid=636947


X1650XT/PRo and X1300XT Info (Thx To Stym):

source here

Since nVidia released Geforce 7600 family (G73) in match, its corresponding rival Radeon X1600 was facing a strong enemy with lower cost and better performance, forcing ATi to recall a weakened R520 version Radeon X1800GTO (R520LE) for the level. In long term, ATi is going to release new Radeon X1650 family.

Radeon X1650 is composed by RV560, RV530 and RV535 chipset, where RV560 is correspond to the top model 1650XT. They are manufactured by TSMC with 80nm process, featured 8 Pixel Shader Pipelines, 24 Pixel Shader Processors (12 for RV530), 128Bit memory controller with 1.4GHz DDR support, 600MHz clock speed and build-in Compositing CrossFire Engine. It is no more master/salve card for CrossFire. Expected to be available in October, its price is set between $149 and $199.

After the launch of Radeon X1650XT, source hinted that Radeon X1600XT and Radeon X1600Pro would be renamed as Radeon X1650Pro and Radeon X1300XT with no any change in specification. Besides, the 80nm version of RV530 is available in October, codenamed RV535 and manufactured by TSMC. With a lower cost, ATi would definitely become more compatible. Radeon X1650 Pro is expected in $99 to $119, while Radeon X1300XT is expected in $79 to $99.

80NM Pwnage here we come

Perkam

[WeStSiDePLaYa]

wow, the xtx is totally going to smash the pro.

an extra 12pipes and 50mhz clock is almost an extra 10 000 shader operations. and an extra 12.8gb/s difference in ram.

wonder if it will unlock?

[perkam]

wow, the xtx is totally going to smash the pro.

an extra 12pipes and 50mhz clock is almost an extra 10 000 shader operations. and an extra 12.8gb/s difference in ram.

wonder if it will unlock?

Far from it. X1950PRO will clock higher on the core than X1950XTX though...its on a 80nm manufac process while XTX is still on 90nm.

Hence difference in coolers

Perkam

[WeStSiDePLaYa]

it will needed to be oc'd to approx 865mhz core if it cant be unlocked just to match the xtx at stock. im not skilled in x1xxx series clocking, but that seems pretty out there.

[brandinb]

looks like the memory controller from ati is pretty dissapointing. only 2 ghz mem speeds seems very weak from gddr4....

[perkam]

it will needed to be oc'd to approx 865mhz core if it cant be unlocked just to match the xtx at stock. im not skilled in x1xxx series clocking, but that seems pretty out there.

What kind of archaic science was used to get that number

Current X1900GT at same clocks as X1900XTX is about 500 points slower in 3dmark05....10.5k vs 10k.

Brandinb, the word headroom and overclock should come to mind no ?

Perkam

[turtle]

Sweet, but...

1.4ns GDDR3 on the rv570?...and October? Aww....

Should be a sweet card, and $200-$250 ain't bad...but it's gonna look a lot less appealing in October with R600 around the corner, especially if the x1900/x1950 prices drop after the release of G80gtx and counterpart, still...It's hard to ignore the price/performance it looks to offer compared to what's available now...and i'm excited to see how AMDTi does on 80nm.

[NapalmV5]

nice future phyzix card..

[perkam]

Sweet, but...

1.4ns GDDR3 on the rv570?...and October? Aww....

Should be a sweet card, and $200-$250 ain't bad...but it's gonna look a lot less appealing in October with R600 around the corner, especially if the x1900/x1950 prices drop after the release of G80gtx and counterpart, still...It's hard to ignore the price/performance it looks to offer compared to what's available now...and i'm excited to see how AMDTi does on 80nm.

80nm Higher Core OCs than ever before, even compared to X1950XTX, which is still on 90nm.

Perkam

[Torphoto]

I want the 1950 now damnit!

at least if they were out now I wouldn't worry about what happens in october.

[perkam]

I want the 1950 now damnit!

at least if they were out now I wouldn't worry about what happens in october.

XTX -> 4 weeks, PRO -> 12 Weeks.

Perkam

[WeStSiDePLaYa]

What kind of archaic science was used to get that number

Current X1900GT at same clocks as X1900XTX is about 500 points slower in 3dmark05....10.5k vs 10k.

Brandinb, the word headroom and overclock should come to mind no ?

Perkam

http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php

i used the x1900gt and x1900xt as they have 36 and 48 pipes respectively. then i put the x1900xt to the future clocks of the x1950xtx. and then increased the clocks on the x1900gt untill it had same operations/sec.

[perkam]

http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php

i used the x1900gt and x1900xt as they have 36 and 48 pipes respectively. then i put the x1900xt to the future clocks of the x1950xtx. and then increased the clocks on the x1900gt untill it had same operations/sec.

Doesn't work that way though...at 700/800, X1900GT is just as fast as an X1900XTX at 625/775.

Perkam

[turtle]

80nm Higher Core OCs than ever before, even compared to X1950XTX, which is still on 90nm.

Perkam

In theory...*remembers x800xl on 110nm*...and in October. If the X1950XTX is $400 or whatever, at launch, and the x1900 is $250...They're gonna be a whole lot cheaper by then when you factor in G80, same goes for the 512mb x1900, come October, not too mention Nvidia's GF7's in that timeframe. Definately looks exciting for the price, but just wonder how it will stack up when the time actually comes. I mean, remember the x1900gt vs x1800xt? It could* be that situation again. (*Could does not mean will)

I'm not trying to argue, as I want to agree with you ...Just have to factor it all in. It is exciting though, especially the prospect of the dually boards and the idea of having fast and cheap gfx until R600, and then using it as a physics card.

[perkam]

In theory...*remembers x800xl on 110nm*...and in October. If the X1950XTX is $400 or whatever, at launch, and the x1900 is $250...They're gonna be a whole lot cheaper by then when you factor in G80, same goes for the 512mb x1900, come October, not too mention Nvidia's GF7's in that timeframe. Definately looks exciting for the price, but just wonder how it will stack up when the time actually comes. I mean, remember the x1900gt vs x1800xt? It could* be that situation again. (*Could does not mean will)

I'm not trying to argue, as I want to agree with you ...Just have to factor it all in. It is exciting though, especially the prospect of the dually boards and the idea of having fast and cheap gfx until R600, and then using it as a physics card.

Good idea about using it as physics card...didn't think of that

X1900GT vs X1800XT only happened because of clocks...X1900GT was underclocked. At the same clocks, the X1900GT comes out faster than X1800XT. We still have no concrete info on G80, and Nvidia wouldn't release an expensive DX10 part with no OS able to take advantage of it.

Frankly, I think you can keep an X1900 or X1950 for 1.5 more years before it will become outdated, if only because of the number of shaders it can process.

Perkam

[turtle]

Nvidia wouldn't release an expensive DX10 part with no OS able to take advantage of it.

Frankly, I think you can keep an X1900 or X1950 for 1.5 more years before it will become outdated, if only because of the number of shaders it can process.

Perkam

It looks like both Nvidia and ATi will release expensive dx10 parts before Vista/DX10, only the extra shaders, or in ATi's case the flexibility of the shaders, will benefit them in DX9 over their predecessors, hopefully as enough of a stop-gap until dx10.

I totally agree in respect to the x1900 if you take them in sheer power vs. the rumoured specs of R600 and G80...but only if you can handle going without DX10 for that long.

I stand corrected though on rv570 once I start looking on how long it'll be until DX10 and how well the high-end (r580) performs and rv570 should perform in dx9. Any way you look at it, it should be a good value, with the distinct possibility of a great one. Same thing for rv560, and it's supposed market segment, if not even more-so.

[Rovtar]

any info about prices yet?

[Ouchy]

Prices are in the article.

[3NZ0]

'ready for physics'

does that mean my x1900 isnt?

Nice cards, anyway.

[Hicks]

Where does it say the Pro is on 80nm?

The cooler looks exactly the same as the X1800X/1900. It's s crap design. The air has to flow through a really small gap, it creates noise, ratles the plastic.

[BlackX]

After reading all that I think I'll wait for G80 just because it will cause price drop for 7950GTX and X1950XTX. Of course its very interesting to see how well DX10 cards will perform on DX9. If and only if G80 will be better than 7950GX2 and wont cost arm and leg then I'll get G80 otherwise like I said I'll go for G71 or R580+.

[jbizzler]

Th epicture of the cooler on the first slide is the sexiset cooler i've ever seen. Do we know if theyr'e using that, or the first one we saw?

And, correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't RV570 just goignt o be called X1900XT but have 256mb of memory? If they changed ti to this, this makes much more sense.

[Pisu87]

In the second image, the RV570 one, how come one of the two cards in CrossFire is a triple-slot thing?

[Starscream]

the power of these cards isnt the most important thing (i bet this gets me banned :P).
Their price is far more important.
Im shure theyl be faster then the X1900 etc and faster then their Nvidia equivalent but the price difrence between em is what makes em or breaks em.

btw that orange cooler looks ugly.

[RAMMAN]

btw that orange cooler looks ugly.

couldnt agree more.