The OFFICIAL MSI K8N Neo2-939 tips and tricks guide thread

[p4z1f1st]

I don't know if anyone post this problem before, avoid using the last PCI slot (i.e. the one with Orange color). It really meant to be use with their WiFi card . I had a heck lot of problem with my system with that PCI slot occupied it

what you mean with "problems" ?

stability or overclockability?

[FrozenGPU]

Is there a list of full dividers and how to choose them?

[pr0di9y]

what you mean with "problems" ?

stability or overclockability?

Overclocking, sorry for not being specific about the problems I faced when the last PCI slot was used.

[mike.elmes]

R2....

you need to update your machines Firmware. The MAch II needs a new firmware to operate with this board (and most A64)

http://nventiv.blue-nexus.com/

Get all your firmware from here

I'm assuming since there was nothing there for the mach 1 that the chill control is really basic and somewhat lame on the mach 1......as compared to the mach 2...

[mikead_99]

On mach 1 the front panel is your chill control, or whatever you call it. No interface to the mobo whatsoever, except for reset hold, which doesn't work on newer mobos.

[eva2000]

R2....

you need to update your machines Firmware. The MAch II needs a new firmware to operate with this board (and most A64)

http://nventiv.blue-nexus.com/

Get all your firmware from here

curious how you update mach2's firmware if you can't boot the pc ???

[The Virus]

I just noticed that my memory controller in system devices is using "microsoft" default driver. I went back to the MSI website and noticed that their package does not include the driver for the memory controller. Can anyone confirm this. Here's the site from MSI download page:

http://www.msi.com.tw/program/suppor...ist.php?part=1

[p4z1f1st]

guys, i think, i know my oc-problem with my Neo2 + GSkill....



.....afaik (refering to Onepagebook) all northbridges beforce 0418A2 aren't that good clocker....

so, i think, i've to RMA my board and hope to get a newer one...

but i wanted to ask a few of you, if you can post your results escpecially with TCCDs on this board and which nb-week you have....

[p4z1f1st]

ill check my NB.

here's some CENTON TCCD.sandra.

ram-size?

1x512MB ? 2x512MB?

which timings? which ram-week? what voltage?

[p4z1f1st]

2x512


look at the great job msi did...dahm im glad i checked it..mabey this is making me unstable..it was hot as hell when runing..

here is my NB week.

hmmm, that's confusing.....your is from taiwan (all after 0418A2 are from korea).....but you can acheive 280MHz with 1GB.....is that really stable?

cause, my 0403A2 isn't stable >265MHz.....

(btw. my NB was full of heat-compound....not just a little bit, like yours....again confusing)....

[[ r2 ]]

2x512


look at the great job msi did...dahm im glad i checked it..mabey this is making me unstable..it was hot as hell when runing..

here is my NB week.

Hmmm...i must check mine, maybe after all thats why im having problems.
Did you apply as5? If so how much of it as i have no idea, never applied or even looked at the NB.

[split]

Hmmm...i must check mine, maybe after all thats why im having problems.
Did you apply as5? If so how much of it as i have no idea, never applied or even looked at the NB.

Thing is it isn't very flat, so you may need a bit more than the usual wafer.

[[ r2 ]]

Thing is it isn't very flat, so you may need a bit more than the usual wafer.

Should i spread it all over the chip? or use the blob method?

I ran out of as5 so is it safe to remove the NB, i want to check my week and put it back without applying any paste?

[split]

Should i spread it all over the chip? or use the blob method?

I ran out of as5 so is it safe to remove the NB, i want to check my week and put it back without applying any paste?

My thoughts would be this. Would do no harm to have a look, but if the goo covers said numbers? think you see the problem

The blob method may be OK on CPUs (even though I have never used it) as CPU coolers have real downward force to spread it.
Never a right answer here, as we all have our own ideas.

I just gonna waste some old AS2 on mine. (or even the stuff that comes with some coolers)

[[ r2 ]]

LoL i see what you mean, well hopefully it doesnt.
Anyways im off to double check, by the way what is your week?

[[ r2 ]]

How do you remove the NB, having troubles.
Is it plastic clips or is it screwed in?

[split]

LoL i see what you mean, well hopefully it doesnt.
Anyways im off to double check, by the way what is your week?

I dunno yet.
Prolly rip it off Saturday when I have some time as I am putting it in another case.
Guessing mine will be an early one, as I pre-ordered it in the UK.

I am not over bothered, as I don't have the mega cooling that some users have
My experience with these coolers comes from Nforce2 days.
They only had a blob of very strange sticky stuff.
extreme ?

How do you remove the NB, having troubles.

Remove Mobo, and pinch in the things so they release.

[mike.elmes]

How do you remove the NB, having troubles.
Is it plastic clips or is it screwed in?

The NB is held on by 2 split pins. I removed mine before I installed the mobo.
I'm sure it should come out without pinching it from the other side. Wish I would have made a note of the numbers before I smeared it with AS and replaced the h/s. Mine had a little bird dropping as well....better than nothing, I guess.

[[ r2 ]]

The NB is held on by 2 split pins. I removed mine before I installed the mobo.
I'm sure it should come out without pinching it from the other side. Wish I would have made a note of the numbers before I smeared it with AS and replaced the h/s. Mine had a little bird dropping as well....better than nothing, I guess.

Well i had no luck removing the NB without removing the board, i put some force into it and nothing. Doesnt matter ill do it tomorrow when i have more light.
Well using bios 1.36/7 didnt help me with my o/c problems.
AMD64 3500+ 0.13
Neo2
XL Pro 1GB
I cant get it stable no matter what past 220HTT, first i thought its the ram so i ran memtest86+ at 250Mhz 2.5-3-3-7 1T 32 passes on test 1-7 and over 250 passes on test 5
I know its not the cpu as i managed 2.5 HTT250*4HT 10x with ease on 1.55vcore 5:6 divider.
Im not sure basically im down to: XLs having compatibilty issues with Neo2 or dimm 2 or maybe the board is bad as i managed with using 1 stick of ram 2.5Ghz HTT250*4HT 1.55vcore 2.85vdimm 1:1 2.5-3-3-7 1T.
Im thinking of getting new Neo2, well ill check tomorrow by removing the NB maybe that will explain it. Im also getting some OCZ 3700 Gold Rev3 so ill see how they go.

Any suggestions why im having this problems?

[xgman]

Do you have AGP set to 67 to lock the pci? the neo2 does way better on samsung tccd based ram than the XL's.

[[ r2 ]]

Do you have AGP set to 67 to lock the pci? the neo2 does way better on samsung tccd based ram than the XL's.

Sure do have it set to 67. Yeah but its strange how i can memtest without any errors at 250Mhz and cant even do 230Mhz in winxp.
Dont know im also thinking it might be the psu (Tt 560W) only 28A for +12V.
Im puzzled...

[mad mikee]

1. NB sink is usually held on w/2 'squeeze' pins. Must use needlenose pliers or forceps (locking tweezers) from the BACK of the board- squeeze together and push though board.

2. Remove the 'lack' of stuff w/ rubbing alcohol, then airgun to remove dust and blow stuff from UNDER the chip (YES there is a slight gap, since these are mounted using Ball grid methods.)

3. Silver ANYTHING is an NO-NO! Possible conductive, staining, and capacitance issues (LEAVE EVIDENCE AND VOIDS WARRANTY).
Use Artic alumina or Ceramique, avoids above problems.

4. If you decide to lap, use 220 -> 400 sandpaper: more is not relevant here due to issue listed in (5). May help some though, especially to remove anodizing (insulator) surface contacting chip.

5. Use the razor blade method (no not that one) to get a relatively even distribution of compound on the chip since (NF2/3) tops resemble dinner plates more than a flat surface. Check that you have enough by mounting w/o pushing pins back through MB, then add small drop xtra in the middle and do final mounting and pin push-through.

Should notice that NB is much warmer now if done badly b4. Shows that the NB HSF is doing it's job - dissapating heat.

End of class, certificates are to be found in you MB boxen.

[funkflix]

Are the normal PATA-Ports have the PCI/AGP-Fix too, or just the SATA Ports
3+4 ?

[p4z1f1st]

Are the normal PATA-Ports have the PCI/AGP-Fix too, or just the SATA Ports
3+4 ?

deine englische grammatik ist ja grauenhaft

the pATA-Ports are operating with the PCI-Clock, and the PCI-Clock is locked on the nF3 Ultra / Neo2

(btw. ich hasse dich für deine CPU....)

[funkflix]

Jo, kann sein .. Ist schon lange her

Thx.