BH-5 vs TCCD @ 300+

[Zeus]

For a long time i've been wondering how TCCD at 300+MHz would do against all tweaked out BH-5 at let's say ~260MHz in benches.

Today i finally found some time to do a little compare.

Testbed:
Mobo: DFI LanParty UT NF3 250GB
CPU: 3400+ NewCastle s754 (watercooled)
PSU: Enermax 465watt 3.3V @ 3.5V
RAM: 1x512mb OCZ EL PC3200 rev2 TCCD/ 1x256mb Kingston HyperX BH-5
OS: Windows 2000 SP2

I have tried to keep the CPU speed the same in all benches ~2860MHz.

Let's start with the BH-5, i have to admit this is only one stick of 256mb though.

PiFast @ 11x260 1,5-2-2-5 1T:

As you can see, the timings are pretty tight.

SuperPi 1M @ 11x260 1,5-2-2-5 1T:

Note the 31.578 seconds in process timer.

Now the TCCD, this is one stick of 512mb.

PiFast @ 317,8x9 2,5-3-3-7 1T:


SuperPi 1M @ 316,5x9 2,5-3-3-7 1T:


I Haven't done any 3d benches cause at the moment i'm running a crappy GF4 ti4200

[charlie]

that makes quite a statement to the "beat their chest" guys who say BH5/VX + tight timings @ 260 is better than tccd @ 300+
So maybe 270, 2-2-5 is EQUAL to tccd @ 317??

C

[Zeus]

that makes quite a statement to the "beat their chest" guys who say BH5/VX + tight timings @ 260 is better than tccd @ 300+
So maybe 270, 2-2-5 is EQUAL to tccd @ 317??

C

Sounds about right, 10x286 with the BH-5 would have probably killed the TCCD but my BH-5 couldn't do that, who's can?

[perry_78]

Sounds about right, 10x286 with the BH-5 would have probably killed the TCCD but my BH-5 couldn't do that, who's can?

Yeah good point. Good BH5 or good VX would have completely killed the TCCD

[bias_hjorth]

guys remember you´re looking at the single channel platform - the results is pretty good - tweak the os etc a write of a sec. pretty good for 2.9ghz And its only a 512kb cache cpu - The results are actually very good!

[Ulti]

But then again, who has TCCD that does 317mhz? My OCZ rev2 stops at 288 My UTT can do 220 2-2-2-5 at 3.1V, waiting for that booster to arrive

[enzoR]

quite a few have TCCD that can do over 310... Gskill ect. doesnt 256vs512 make a difference?

[Formann]

Nice .. but like some say; Whos got TCCD that can do 317Mhz 2.5-3-3 ?

Most TCCD wont even do 290-300 2.5-3-3

The OCZ Rev2 i tested hit the wall at 260 2.5-3-3. I know thats a bit low, but im guessing the avrage for TCCD is 270-280 somewhere??

If you feel up to it, run the TCCD tests again at 280-290Mhz

[Marquzz]

Yeah, it's much more common to see BH-5 doing 260 2-2-2 (or 1.5-2-2) then TCCD (or whatever) do 317 2.5-3-3. As a matter of fact, very few rams can do over 300 with 2.5-3-3. The only ones I've seen doing that is those that OPB and that other guy presents, and well, they have a few to pick from don't they?

[Mag Master 21]

What makes things more interesting is the fact that pifast is partially reliant on the amount of ram the setup has. A 512mb system, all things equal, should yield a lower time than a 256mb system. The small gain the tccd over the bh-5, with double the amount of ram, makes things interesting. I think in 3dmark will show similar results, as Oppainter seems to think his 2x512 VX helped to raise his score..

[Rabbi_NZ]

Im putting my money on VX winning 3D.

Everyone already knew TCCD was better for SuperPI, its very bandwidth dependant.

[EDIT]
9x270 (2430MHz) 2.0-2-2
vs
8x304 (2432MHz) 2.5-3-3

would be interesting... but I think SuperPI might still win

[[XC] moddolicous]

How many volta do u have on the BH-5. Also, like someone said if you had good BH-5, than they would probably kill the TCCD.

[quicksilverXP]

In games I've observed that the higher HTT, with alright timings (2.5-3-3-7) was even better than running 270HTT 1:1 at 2-2-2-5 with BH-5s.

[kickassclone]

vx and bh-5 need massive volts to do that though. tccd doesn't need the voltage to do stock timings.

Who runs 3.6 volts through their memory in a system 24/7?

Running 3.0 volts through the mem heats it up like an inferno. I would hate to see how hot 3.6 volts makes it.

[Rabbi_NZ]

who runs 317 2.5-3-3 24/7 though?
a LOT of people run 260+ 2-2-2 24/7...

[Radelon]

To be honest you are putting the BH-5 behind from the start....260htt compared to 317 is a big difference.... to do this adaquately you would need to run the bh5 on a divider which in fact would be somewhere in the 320-330 range.

My OCZ 3500EB will beat my OCZ 4200 EL Plat (TCCD) across the board. My EB will do 266 3-2-2-7 would definitely beat both your tested ram. I have some VX on the way, we'll see how that stacks up.

[Zeus]

Nice .. but like some say; Whos got TCCD that can do 317Mhz 2.5-3-3 ?

Most TCCD wont even do 290-300 2.5-3-3

The OCZ Rev2 i tested hit the wall at 260 2.5-3-3. I know thats a bit low, but im guessing the avrage for TCCD is 270-280 somewhere??

If you feel up to it, run the TCCD tests again at 280-290Mhz

I thinks there's more TCCD capable of 300+ around than most people think.
Most often the CPU's memcontroller is the showstopper.

For example, with my old 3400+ClawHammer and this very same stick of TCCD everything over 270MHz was unstable.....go figure.

What makes things more interesting is the fact that pifast is partially reliant on the amount of ram the setup has. A 512mb system, all things equal, should yield a lower time than a 256mb system. The small gain the tccd over the bh-5, with double the amount of ram, makes things interesting. I think in 3dmark will show similar results, as Oppainter seems to think his 2x512 VX helped to raise his score..

Your argument only hold truth if the mobo supports bank interleaving, guess what this mobo does?

Guys, i never meant to degrade BH-5 or praise TCCD, i just wanted to show how those compare.

Admittedly, it's very good TCCD against average BH-5.
I could only throw 3.4V at the BH-5, since the PSU shuts down if i try to raise the 3.3V rail over 3.5V (which is actually 3.72V according to my DMM)
No booster here.

[Tim]

vx and bh-5 need massive volts to do that though. tccd doesn't need the voltage to do stock timings.

Who runs 3.6 volts through their memory in a system 24/7?

Running 3.0 volts through the mem heats it up like an inferno. I would hate to see how hot 3.6 volts makes it.

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But I would really want to see some life like benches, like in games.

[MarilynMX]

not intend to be silly I'd rather run TCCD during summer and VX with massive volts in winter, it's -20c here and I have to keep my window opened lol seriously addtional fan won't help me surviving heat at all. (yes am talking about people not machine)
anyway much appreciate for the test&time you spent!

[Korpse]

WOW
Jeus are you water cooled? my 3400NC on air does 2.66 its a 0440 - whats urs?


*really starts to consider WCing :p

[HARDCORECLOCKER]

O.K. - here we can compare TCCD with BH-5 in DC on a 939 platform,

both 2 x 256, first the G.SKILL 4800LA:



And now the CORSAIR 3200LLPT BH-5:



As You can see they perform almost at the same bandwith and SuperPi time,
BH-5 needs 5 MHz less for it. To push up the HTT to 300 or more will give You only an advantage if You don't have to drop the multi, but not many people can do 12 x 300. 11 x 300 will not be faster than 12 x 280 - even slower beacause of losing the timings at that high HTT.

Note: If You can't see the pics, try later again, there will be to much access on my HP sometimes.

[MarilynMX]

awesome benches! stock timings at DDR600 are 2.5-4-4-8 right?

[Tim]

O.K. - here we can compare TCCD with BH-5 in DC on a 939 platform,

Pic's don't work for me?

[bias_hjorth]

Very nice results hardcoreclocker - Are these results on the prommy?

[Marquzz]

People are talking about rasing HTT and running BH-5 with divider. Well, I did that with my BH-5 and DFI DLI-DR.

10x270 2-2-2 1:1 (LDT @ 1080) v 7x385 2-2-2 7:10 (LDT @ 1155)

And 10x270 was faster in both sandra and everest. Didn't take any ss but then again I though that this was common knowledge.