SuperPi 1MB is now dead ! => what will replace it ?

[detonator]

it easy, for prescot user post a score with/out patch...is not hard

[Mini]

Yeah i can see that now.,.. I also wrote in the last post: "Edit: Then again... If Futuremark made a patch that ONLY improved ATI or Nvidia or AMD/intel performance that would suck..."

But i see what you mean now...

Perhaps some1 could make a superpi original again??? Just so that there was an identifier of some sort???

Besides you can see if it is patched or not...

Every1 here knows or will know what a 3Ghz Prescott does in superpi if it 2-4 seconds faster than normal then its patched

But i agree now... That kinda sux...

[zytrahus]

I mailed the japanese lab last week to know if source code is open or not. It's not. So difficult to change something (on the interface for example).

A good thing would be to identify (graphicaly) and pack (crypt) the code to lock any possible change on the code.


But it sounds difficult

[Kanavit]

i would love to see Fugger's 6ghz prescott run super pi 1m with the patch.

wonder what he would score 18sec?

[Mini]

Kanavit: He did???

He ran a patched but not a non patched???

Im almost 100% sure... It was pretty far in the thread

I think it was 20 sec?

[zytrahus]

yes 20s but something broke ... ?!? ? that was I heard in France about it...

[Mini]

"Originally Posted by FUGGER
just smoked the machine 5.9Ghz patched pi 20 seconds, died after it finished run. about to screen shot and run unpatched to show legit.

1.975 vcore

DDR @ 263Mhz
CPU @ 329FSB

/plays taps"

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...5&page=4&pp=25

[Sucka]

Why can't the coder of the bench just re-write it so it says something along the lines of "Now running Super Pi v1.0" or whatever at the top, so you know which one is being used? Still seems like a valid bench for AMD's though. It dropped my Prescott by 3 full seconds, now it ties my FX-55.

[zytrahus]

Don't know why he doesn't want... I could try negociate maybe...

[kristos]

it easy, for prescot user post a score with/out patch...is not hard

so it's perfectly possible to run superpi and patched superpi and display the results from both next to each other?

[spaceman]

Well, it was obviously a Prescott lover who wrote this cheat, err, patch. So all we do is, Boycott Prescott!!! Get the word out that Prescott users are lowlife cheaters, and see how many benches ya see from them then. Just kiddin', of course. I'm sure there are some Prescott owners out there, whose only crime is using Intel.

[LardArse]

I wonder what the Japanese overclockers think about this prescott cheat?

I think they have their own code of benching that they observe... I mean seriously,,, would it be that hard to photoshop a superpi score? If it can be done all this while with a software, then why is this patch gonna destroy something that is already not there in the first place? :the infallibility of a Superpi screenshot as a legit performance indicator

[CodeRed]

I think they have their own code of benching that they observe... I mean seriously,,, would it be that hard to photoshop a superpi score? If it can be done all this while with a software, then why is this patch gonna destroy something that is already not there in the first place? :the infallibility of a Superpi screenshot as a legit performance indicator

I agree, the Japanese oveclockers have a strong sense of pride in their work ... too strong to cheat by photochopping. But there are many people that wouldnt hesitate to cheat, now it has been made easy for them.

[STEvil]

"Originally Posted by FUGGER
just smoked the machine 5.9Ghz patched pi 20 seconds, died after it finished run. about to screen shot and run unpatched to show legit.

1.975 vcore

DDR @ 263Mhz
CPU @ 329FSB

/plays taps"

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...5&page=4&pp=25

Read farther. Just the DDR booster cooked.

[The Mutt]

There is a northwood/SSE2 version too: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...933#post593933

[bias_hjorth]

*signs* patch

[Mag Master 21]

what they should make is a futuremark type database that sends the scores to a website that can be linked to others...

Pretty much make it exactly how aquamark/futuremark has it setup..

[Ailleur]

Whine whine whine.
"OH Noooooossss! The presscott can now beat an a64 so this must be cheating!! DIE DIE!"
Yeh, what a shame the patch actually lets prescott users USE their processor, what a world we live in. Maybe we should all bench on the same cpu too, cause really, those people using faster cpus are cheating too. Or maybe use air cooling only, cause ln2 cooling is definetly an advantage.
I cant wait for the day when everybody will start whining because someone wrote a64 version , oh wait, i bet it wont happen, i wonder why.
I cant believe those whiners.
I betcha when amd puts sse3 on their cpus, all will be well again since the a64's will most likely take the crown again.

The day someone shows me that a patched superpi doesnt actually calculate Pi, maybe ill understand.

[Mag Master 21]

The day someone shows me that a patched superpi doesnt actually calculate Pi, maybe ill understand.

the end doesn't necessarily justify the means..

[Ubermann]

I dont think its only amd users that whine.

[kristos]

what I don't understand is that if it's just a patch that allows the use the SSE2 or SSE3 instructionset, why don't these patches work on Axp and A64? they use the SSE2 instruction set too. and don't the 90nm versions support full SSE3 too?

since amd and intel use the same instructionset, howcome it only works on intel with the patch?

[L@TrO]

I just tested the patch (northwood) on my a64 setup , and now i'v 39sec stock with a 3200+ , thats 2sec faster! So i think that it also works on a64... Every1 kan cheat now :p

[bias_hjorth]

Yup benchmark destroyed indeed. Who´s the first to make a cheat of the cheat?
But hey I am just a AMD fanboy right? Or was it Intel?

[Learn]

Hi,


Just some words to say what I think about "the new superpowerfull superpi104" ...

The new tweak has completely kill superpi. Before it, it was already difficult to make a right comparative between the different realases (japanese superpi ; english release... ), but now there is really no interest to use it...

I could understand that somebody wants tweak to his own use, but I really don't understand how this "somebody" could use it to run for overclocking results.


Superpi didn't have any "optimisation" for current cpus so it was a good way to compare each cpu : AMD or Intel ; frequency ; memory ; cache... Each parametre had its own influence.




I know I'm the only one who find this tweak as poor as s*** and I just want give my thanks to "the superpi killer". I don't want to know who is it, I just hope a way to replace this small bench (with maybe more accuracy in result)


../..

dead, too bad
the end of super pi for me.

[kristos]

as L@TrO already showed, the northwood (SSE2) patch also works on A64..

now the only thing missing is an SSE patch for the Axp's then to me, this benchmark will hold the same value as it did before, in fact, it'll give a better representation of the truth then it did before.