Whats 1T or 2T setting in A64 mobos bios, is CH5 are able to work with 1T ?

[sobol]

Hello
I recently had 2 mobos Epox 8KDA3J and MSI K8N Neo-FSR both had setting in bios 1T and 2T. I have memory TwinMos 2X512 PC3200 on CH5 chips.

I tried to run my mem on both mobos with 200 mhz and 1T setting with most relaxed timings. System was unstalble + prime filed after one minute.

I dont have yet DFI LanParty UT ( im waiting for it ) to test 1T command setting with higher voltage. Anyone can test ?

Next thing is 1T and 2T is equal to CPC ON/OFF ?

Greetz

[HKPolice]

CH5 chips are crap, I doubt it'll run 1T. Most A64 setups have issues running 2x512 double sided sticks @ 1T no matter what.

[sobol]

Didnt know that such childish peoples post here. I didnt asked you if CH5 is crap or no. If you have nothing to say that are facts and you cant test real hardware that im asking about , stay quiet.

[Torin]

Didnt know that such childish peoples post here. I didnt asked you if CH5 is crap or no. If you have nothing to say that are facts and you cant test real hardware that im asking about , stay quiet.

Agreed.

[iCe_bLASt]

my twinmoss 50D run on my c0 (that only allows 1t)
however I'm not 100% sure this chip are CH5 ... just 90%

[pik-ard v1.1]

is CH5 are able to work with 1T ?

you asked that in your title, he answered that here(be he right or not, i cannot confirm):

CH5 chips are crap, I doubt it'll run 1T.

fact(i think this comment is true):

Most A64 setups have issues running 2x512 double sided sticks @ 1T no matter what.

maybe if you read past the first 4 words, you would have found what you asked for..

[LilGator]

CH5 chips are crap, I doubt it'll run 1T.

False.

Most A64 setups have issues running 2x512 double sided sticks @ 1T no matter what.

True.

[black rose]

Only one way you're going to find out, and that's when you get the board itself. I have 2x512's of BH-5 (both double sided) running 2-2-2-5-1T on 2.7v (204mhz, stupid board doesn't give enough volts to run 1:1)

[sobol]

pik-ard hes answer hadnt anything to do with my question it was only such bla bla bla about nothing. Coz of such answers some threads are in 90% filled with junk thats noone need.

And about my setup i got NewCastle so i am able to run 1T and 2T.
Best i can stable go with prime95 is 10x225 1:1 mem timings are 2.5-3-3-10.
On my old AN7 with 3.2 i was able to do 215 2-2-2-11 but with cpc off, thats why im asking about is CPC same as T command.

Btw i seen that they running Samsung TCCD memory with great timings and great speed and with 1T setting on nF3 based boareds.
Arent this chips double sided ? If yes its not about double sided but what chip can do. And if its about double sided, well CH5 and BH5 can oc same well :/

[mad mikee]

After trying my 245 FSB ch5 on 3 a64 boards including the DFI, I sold them to someone along w/ my old DFI NF2 inf. Couldn't get them to do what I wanted or even what they're rated for w/o changing the supporting timings WAY down and losing alot of performance.

[HKPolice]

pik-ard hes answer hadnt anything to do with my question it was only such bla bla bla about nothing. Coz of such answers some threads are in 90% filled with junk thats noone need.

And about my setup i got NewCastle so i am able to run 1T and 2T.
Best i can stable go with prime95 is 10x225 1:1 mem timings are 2.5-3-3-10.
On my old AN7 with 3.2 i was able to do 215 2-2-2-11 but with cpc off, thats why im asking about is CPC same as T command.

Btw i seen that they running Samsung TCCD memory with great timings and great speed and with 1T setting on nF3 based boareds.
Arent this chips double sided ? If yes its not about double sided but what chip can do. And if its about double sided, well CH5 and BH5 can oc same well :/

Lol you were offended because I said CH5 was crap, so you ignored the rest of my post, and focused on my comment about CH5. Typical behaviour, thanks for participating in my experiment.

[HKPolice]

After trying my 245 FSB ch5 on 3 a64 boards including the DFI, I sold them to someone along w/ my old DFI NF2 inf. Couldn't get them to do what I wanted or even what they're rated for w/o changing the supporting timings WAY down and losing alot of performance.

As predicted

Oh wait, my opinions about CH5 are meaningless, correct?

[craig588]

The comment was not out of line, CH5 is in fact crap, and will have difficulty running at 1T, having 2x512M sticks makes the difficulty even more so.

Would you have prefered a post that just said "No." with no explanation at all?

BTW, double sided does not even begin to describe one of the many different memory overclocking variables. Even if you used single sided memory with CH5 chips it would still be slower than a double sided stick of BH5. (Unless you have a very early memory controller than chokes on double sided sticks)

Yes, on the DFI NF3 754 board CPC on/off is the same as command rate 1/2.

[pik-ard v1.1]

is CH5 are able to work with 1T ?

CH5 chips are crap, I doubt it'll run 1T.

please explain how that ISNT an answer...

Most A64 setups have issues running 2x512 double sided sticks @ 1T no matter what.

please explain how that ISNT a fact...

and, please explain how you managed to read all that, and STILL think all he said was "bla bla bla about nothing"

[Mauri Antero]

Well my muskin pc3500 level one got ch-5 chips in and those went fine 240Mhz with quite a tough settings. Ch-5 settings
Board was GB k8nsnxp-939

[LilGator]

Whoa, the facts are still wrong.

{ CH5 IS NOT CRAP. PERIOD. }

It's already been proven twice in this thread "My 245MHz CH-5" and "those went fine 240MHz". The problem however is CH5 + A64, especially with 2x512MB and 1T on S754.

Besides that's what the thread is about. S754 has problems with 2x512MB, 1T or not. BH5 or CH5.

I can't tell if you are serious or not HKPolice, but CH5 is not crap

[spaceman]

Only one way you're going to find out, and that's when you get the board itself. I have 2x512's of BH-5 (both double sided) running 2-2-2-5-1T on 2.7v (204mhz, stupid board doesn't give enough volts to run 1:1)

Yeah, what he said. Components behave differently in different environments, so the only way to know for sure is try it. BTW, I must be lucky, cause I've run 2x512s of BH-5 on 3 different A64 mobos just fine.

[corrupt]

I have a K8N-Pro and run 2x512 double sided Kingston 3500 (CH-5) and run 2,2,2,5 1t timings at 3.3v's 228fsb and they work fine, it wasn't easy to get them there but its all good now. Its not crazy fast ram for sure but its works in this rig.

[sobol]

please explain how that ISNT an answer...

Its not answer coz he doubt , doubt means he just suppose and i didnt asked who suppose what i wanted to know facts.

please explain how that ISNT a fact...

Well its easy, he said that "most" systems isnt runing well with double sided mem, but gee it was about some particular sitiuation/configuration where "most" you can send to trash.

And i agreed with craig588 that double sided ram is only one of varibles that describe how good mem is ocing.

So sum of this is he ofended me, told me about things that have nothing to do with my particular configuration + told me things that isnt right and thats what i mean by "bla bla bla".

[mad mikee]

@ 3.1Vdimm (single .5G (DS) stick so far)
Planning to use 2 of course so I am really fighting.

The CH-5 was running 1T b4(2-2-2-10-12-14(last #s were HARD limits), and my BH-5 is running okay at 2-2-2-6.... I had sold the other stuff b4 I got 2 far w/ the DFI board, there might be some useful settings to coax out something from the CH5. My biggest problem was 2 sticks would lockup memtest at lower (210) FSB. and things like that, even @ 3.1-3.2 (was running 245 on NF2 @ 3.2)

[sobol]

CH5 chips are crap, I doubt it'll run 1T. Most A64 setups have issues running 2x512 double sided sticks @ 1T no matter what.

So for you this is real life answer.

I got my DFI LanParty UT 250 NF3.
In signature you got mine hw spec. I didnt had time to update cpu speed and mem timings. But what i can run atm is:
250 MHZ 1:1 2-2-2-10 1T( 3.2v ). With SisioftSandra Score around ~3700 points.
And yes my mem is double sided. Next time if you dont know s**t: , just dont post.

[bias_hjorth]

sobol:

You are running .5 multi Your mem do not run 250mhz. So your post proves nothing.

Allow me to quote you :

" Next time if you dont know s**t: , just dont post."

[saaya]

please get along nice guys

.5 multipliers only apply to the cpu speed and not to the memory speed

[Crankster]

This is what i like about XS, ppl say what they think. No sugarcoating, just hard facts. If you can't deal with it thats real tough, don't expect any empathy though.

CH-5 sucks BTW is my honest opinion.

[drunkenmaster]

what you like then, is when people post hard facts with no sugarcoating, but who are in fact completely and utterly wrong.

Fact number 1, there are like 2 types of mem in the world that like ras-cas at 2, bh-5 and micron EB type chips. 2nd best mem ALWAYS< before EB was ch-5, no question, it could sometimes run ras to cas 2, especially with decent voltage in, it has been taken quite a few times to 250Mhz cas 2,2,2,5 like bh-5 but with higher voltage. Few do it but some do. Calling it crap is a pathetic idiotic thing to say, cos simply put its not, not crap not even close to it.

AS for 1T on most systems be it s754 or s939, i've run a gig bh-5, ch-5, eb, ballistixs, sammy chips and all can do 1t. you have to tweak things and this and that to get to decent fsb, what system don't you have to do that on. I don't think i ever run 2t as performance penalty is too severe. EB is currently doing 245Mhz in a vdimm limited 939 board, gig, 2.85v cas 2.5,2,2,9.

You're very much wrong on both counts of what you said.

Sayaa, no offence, but you're wrong , again. .5 multi's change cpu speed but also change every divider ratio so infact, though i always forget how you work it out, it lowers memory ratio a little, i don't think any apps can recognise the real mem speed afterwards, but (though i forget what score at what speed) i think the sisoft score shows something akin to 235/240Mhz, should be just under the 4000 or 3900 mark at that speed and those timings.