Prescott vs AMD64

[Signal0101]

Was wondering what do you guys think is faster. A prescott @ 3.8Ghz on air or an AMD64 @ 2.4Ghz. Would love to see a review with a 9800XT. I am only interested in air cooling. By faster I mean everything....gaming, video conv., superpi, 3dmark...etc Any opinions? Looking for a STABLE oc on air and had 2.8Ghz Prescott or AMD64 3000+ on my mind. Thanks in advance.

[Soulburner]

Why stop at 3.8Ghz?

The real question should be, both processors taken to their max on air. Why run them any slower, right?

So, say a 4.2E vs A64 2.4-2.5? Assuming both have something from Thermalright.

Not sure, we haven't seen any direct comparisons yet. It may be close depending on the benchmark.

[LilGator]

It is kinda odd that FUGGERs prescott @ 4Gs only cranked 22K

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by LilGator
It is kinda odd that FUGGERs prescott @ 4Gs only cranked 22K

Considering 3.2c + 9800 Pro scores about 19.5k stock, it looks about right to me, though we don't have a direct compare at the same clocks from C vs E yet.

[LilGator]

Thats true i guess Somehow 4GHz just sounds like 25K+ lol

[Soulburner]

Not at stock card clocks

[kromosto]

fuggers benchmark was not optimized for 2001 like running it with dx9

[Charles Wirth]

Yep. dx9 and newest drivers

[`schr0et]

I think the main thing you guys are missing out on is the new support features in prescott, many of the programs aren't optimized for the prescott to take advantage of.

i.e. SSE3

Pretty much tho I think Prescott will pave way for better intel processor, until then my A64 sticks since I'm a gamer and I love to OC

[Cole]

Personally I think that Pentium have a major advantage when it comes to overclocking in that you don't have to volt-mod your motherboard for very high. I just got an A64 and I've already hit it's limit because of a 1.7V VCore so I'm forced to mod. However with my Pentium4 2.4C I just cranked the sucker up to 3.6 Ghz with no mods and plenty voltages left.

[Pro Kid]

Even so I'm sure the A64 will still give the P4 a run for its money even at those clocks.

[Soulburner]

Yes, SSE3 will be an interesting thing to see, as it has instructions to help in many different areas, including video encoding, and gaming.

I think the Prescott will do just fine in 3DM01 though, better than most people are expecting.

[charlie]

It all depends on where the top end is for the Prescott. Let FUGGER/MACCI or someone put one under -110C and see what happens. Things will start happening REALLLL fast at 5G

C

[doctorcod]

I think you guys have all seen the reviews on this one, if you plan to OC on air, forget it, grab an a64, if you have phase change then go go gadget compressor! Prescott is a disappointment thus far, A64 ownz it. We wont see its full potential until LGA 775, just my seventeen cents.

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by doctorcod
I think you guys have all seen the reviews on this one, if you plan to OC on air, forget it, grab an a64, if you have phase change then go go gadget compressor! Prescott is a disappointment thus far, A64 ownz it. We wont see its full potential until LGA 775, just my seventeen cents.

So 4.2Ghz on air isn't enough for you?

[`schr0et]

No what he was stating was that the Prescotts run remarkably hotter than the Northwood's at default clocks. I was hearing around 60-70C on stock cooling.

Those are some crazy temps for that core to throw off!

[charlie]

that's the stepping 1 early cpu's....the latest retail ones are MUCH better!!

C

[saaya]

geez calm down and at least try to answer his questions!

i dont think any of the two will be faster in everything, gaming video encoding office photoshop etc...

will be a close match i guess, the performence diference wont be very big... if you have a prescott capable board go for it, if not check prices and wait for a review or some scores from people who oc their prescotts

[Soulburner]

Yeah and who cares about stock cooling?

[`schr0et]

No, no Soulburner what I was trying to point out was that the Prescott core puts off a lot more heat than the Northwood. Wasn't trying to say it sucks or you can't OC it and what not.

Just saying that for convential AIR coolers it will run simply too hot for them to OC it much.

Charlie: I completely agree with you, I'll be waiting to see what some later revs of those chips will do

[kommando]

Guys guys, they should be similaer in performance.

Stop your :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:ing on the stock cooler, intel make nice stock coolers.

I don't think im gonna go back to Intel unfortuently. After buying this setup im very happy.

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by PRanganathan
No, no Soulburner what I was trying to point out was that the Prescott core puts off a lot more heat than the Northwood. Wasn't trying to say it sucks or you can't OC it and what not.

Just saying that for convential AIR coolers it will run simply too hot for them to OC it much.

And i'll say again, 4.2Ghz on air isn't enough for you?

You have pretty damn high expectations then.

[nailbomb]

Just saying that for convential AIR coolers it will run simply too hot for them to OC it much.

Well, have we seen temps posted from the latest stepping with a stock cooler? I myself haven't yet, so I'm reserving judgement.

Fugger has stated that the current stepping is better heatwise. I think his article on the front page of XS said 39c with a lapped heatspreader, under what I would assume to be the stock heatsink.

So, under my MC478-V, I don't think I'm gonna be :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:in' about it

I WOULD like to see more numbers thou. Not speculation based upon stepping 1.

[kommando]

To me temps don't matter, as long as its stable and dosn't crash its good.

[macci]

So 4.2Ghz on air isn't enough for you?

Your being a bit too optimistic there. For a stable air OC with normal noise levels I wouldn't expect to see much more than 3.8-3.9GHz - for starters that is.
There was a 4.2G CPU-Z shot over at VR-Zone but it didn't represent a stable clock speed.