Commando Results by Tony and Andre (and others...)

[RichUK]

I'm an FSB man myself. I'm more interested in average FSB OC's, or what it would be capable of, ala 530+ FSB. Also, does the BIOS only offer 1.6v for the NB? If so that sucks hard!

[JoeBar]

Also, does the BIOS only offer 1.6v for the NB?

Tony can u confirm this?

[Ibinco]

Tony can u confirm this?

Well judging by his screenies....

http://www.thetechrepository.com/sho...?p=143#post143

It only goes to 1.6v

[JoeBar]

Well judging by his screenies....

http://www.thetechrepository.com/sho...?p=143#post143

It only goes to 1.6v

I've seen that. That's why i asked it here but never got a response...

[Turtle 1]

So whats the stock settings of the NB. With a 6800 . Shouldn't matter. Nor the 6700 or the 6600. Guys are hitting 500fsb with the stock V.

[xgman]

I have a feeling this is going to be the sleeper board that comes out on top. After my recent bad 680i experiences I will be watching this board come to market very closely.

[Turtle 1]

I like that abit quadGT posted earlier, hopefully the price is better then 260.

Didn't see the blue 8x pci-e slot.

[LuckyNV]

Ya I looked at that The poster said 2x 8xpci-e yet the pic shows only 1 8x pci-e slot. The Commando pic Tony showed how ever shows 2x 8x pci-e slots.

I hope That pic is an early samply . and Abit does have 2x8xpci-e slots as I have always liked Abit M/B's. My wife was all set to buy the ASus 975 work station board but I talked here in to waiting for the Third generation.

that Abit has 2 fullsize PCI-E slots, 1 is blue, the other is black

[DeToNaToR.cl]

In 965P, you can have 2 physical 16x slots, BUT they work 16x and 4x (1x + 1x + 1x +1x, when you use this one, all the others 1x PCIe slots, are disabled)

PS: NB up to 1.6v is just fine for ~500Mhz FSB... I guess we want more

[Turtle 1]

that Abit has 2 fullsize PCI-E slots, 1 is blue, the other is black

Ya your right . These old eyes missed it as it blended right in with the board color LOL. Thats great. I like Abit.

[WeldZilla]

You know this has been a year of ,"Hey I got this new board". Although I can't post anything about it for weeks to come but, I will however try to give you enough to keep you frothing at the mouth til it releases. And of course everyone yammers on for 30 or 40 pages. Then finally you see the tests and people buy them in droves only to find that without the exact memory and a vapochill they are no better than the P5W DH they bought in the same frenzy then threw away for 965 board that finally gave them the bus speed but with such loosed timings gave no actual performance speed for about 95% of the users who clammered to get them. Remember the hype over the MSI board? MSI has never built an Intel board that was worth a damn. Ever!
Yet the hype was on. Lately it has been the 680 chipset. Guys dumping their hardware to get it. Only to find out that it was all hype and more of the same crap. Now the ATI board is getting the hype and right in the middle of all the hype Tony Craps his own thread with yet another board.
My point. Guys quit giving them you frickin money. Stick with what you got til about April or may. Don't buy nothing from them til they give us one that is not so buggy and then we sit around cursing for bios updates. Don't be led around like a crack whore thet will do anything for the next fix. I do mean anything!! I got sucked in totally on the P5W DH and I quite frankly like the board but it has been rediculous wating for Asus to bring out bios after Bios that does not do very much at all except piss us off. The only real difference was eliminating the cold starts after every trip into the bios. I ran a by pass for my water pump so it did not stop and start 30 times an hour!! So I for one am going just to sit back and wait for a motherboard to come out that is good right out of the box. So go ahead and hype away guys I have become numb to it as a matter of fact you couls say "Comfortably Numb"

WZ

[Turtle 1]

Ya your right. But C2d has so much potential the guys are excited. Of all the M/B the the one that disappointed me the most was the RD600 not because of its performance but because of the 8x pci-e slots. Had AMD not bought ATI it would be a 3x 16x pci chipset. I will bet anything the AMD version is 3x 16x pci-e slots. I am also beginning to think that the R600 XF will be like the G80gtx sli and will only work on with 2x 16x pci-e M/B that will effectively knock the Intel chipset out of the high end XF market. I doubt if AMD cares if they sell 2x cards to C2D users.

[The Warlock]

The Striker extreme will support 1333fsb processors coming out next year,right? Will the commando also support this, quad core 1333fsb?
Anyone have any idea?

[roibm]

what has happened to very good mobos in the 100~140$ range like before

If I remember right, the new high end price strategy started with SLI.
I guess the MB makers saw the people are willing shell out that much money, so they kinda forgot to drop the prices back to a reasonable level.

Then we shouldn't forget about all the useless stuff on board.
I doubt many people who buy such high end mobos are using the on-board crappy sound(be it HD or any such marketing non-sense), or all those S-ATA ports or SLI/CF for that matter. What we need are some good bare MB, but I doubt we will get them anytime soon. The massess like having MB with lots of features even when they are not using them. It's as simple as that, stupid.

[Turtle 1]

The Striker extreme will support 1333fsb processors coming out next year,right? Will the commando also support this, quad core 1333fsb?
Anyone have any idea?

When the Qcore 1333 frontside bus comes out next years 3rd qt. Intel will have the bearlake chipset out. X38 will have PCI-E2 & DDR3 support, I wouldn't bet against this chipset having support for both 1333fsb and 1600fsb . with the cpu supporting both 333 and 400 fsb.The reaso I believe this is Xeon all ready support 1333Fsb . Why its not called a 333mhz frontside bus is a little strange. But it stands to reason with DDR3 support the a 400mhz bus should be supported on the cpu. So Strikers support for a 1333fsb is mute as it won't support DDR3 or PCI-E 2. Tony said he was going to start working on the Commando M/B soon. Waiting for his results.

[JoeBar]

Eagerly waiting also...

[The Warlock]

When the Qcore 1333 frontside bus comes out next years 3rd qt. Intel will have the bearlake chipset out. X38 will have PCI-E2 & DDR3 support, I wouldn't bet against this chipset having support for both 1333fsb and 1600fsb . with the cpu supporting both 333 and 400 fsb.The reaso I believe this is Xeon all ready support 1333Fsb . Why its not called a 333mhz frontside bus is a little strange. But it stands to reason with DDR3 support the a 400mhz bus should be supported on the cpu. So Strikers support for a 1333fsb is mute as it won't support DDR3 or PCI-E 2. Tony said he was going to start working on the Commando M/B soon. Waiting for his results.

So, if i understand you correctly (im norwegian, so my english isnt always great), you think the Commando will not support 1333fsb?.
Looking forward to Tony`s comments about it!

Edit: The reason why im asking is because i need a new mobo for my pd945, and the Striker is really out of my price range, but i will buy a new cpu next year, and i was hoping i could get myself a dual core or quad core for this mobo?
Pcie2 and ddr3 support isnt that important to me as pcie2 seems more a gimmick than real useful, and i could get good enough performance with good ddr2 ram. I really dont want to hold of buying a new mobo untill Bearlake is released.

[Turtle 1]

You can O/C the P965 chipsets quit well the real differance if its important to you is the a 1066 Fsb will run 1:1 @ DDR2 533. Were as 1333fsb runs 1:1 at DDR2 667. Its to eaely to tell but strikers If they are going to support 1333fsb should overclock to that speed easily. Wait till latter to pass judgement.

[Turtle 1]

So, if i understand you correctly (im norwegian, so my english isnt always great), you think the Commando will not support 1333fsb?.
Looking forward to Tony`s comments about it!

Edit: The reason why im asking is because i need a new mobo for my pd945, and the Striker is really out of my price range, but i will buy a new cpu next year, and i was hoping i could get myself a dual core or quad core for this mobo?
Pcie2 and ddr3 support isnt that important to me as pcie2 seems more a gimmick than real useful, and i could get good enough performance with good ddr2 ram. I really dont want to hold of buying a new mobo untill Bearlake is released.

Here's the thing . I really don't see were it matters. If you buy say DDR2 800 memory . . You can do a bunch of differant combinations of O/C with the dividers. You set your bios to run DDR2 533 select 1:1 than o/c your cpu say to 333 that gives you DDR2 667 with a front side bus of 1333. I understand there are issues with the 1333strap at 1333 but its has been said in the anand tech article in this thread . That intel has revised the specs (tightened the specs) That M/B makers can use on these second generation of P965 chipsets. Since I signed an NDA thats all I can comment on.

[Eastcoasthandle]

Ya I read that in your post in the news section . I thought I read the specs as saying 1066 800 533 supported. Or did I miss read that.

Could you please link to a M/B that supports 1066 DDR2 dual channel memory. we won't see that for awhile . @ 1:1 that would be what 2132fsb.

eVGA 680i memory support
1200 memory supported SLI ready memory
Problem is this is not the MB for me and my needs.

[The Warlock]

Thx for answering, i only had a hope that, since im buying myself a new mobo and ram,probably soon, to use with my pd945(for the moment), it would be cool if also the commando would support the new cpu`s next year, since i guess i will be buying a new one at that time. I not made of money, so, lol, have to progress at a slower pace, but i will be getting rid of the 945. Anyways, it looks to be a sweet board, but early to say. We will know soon enough, i guess.

[Turtle 1]

eVGA 680i memory support
1200 memory supported SLI ready memory
Problem is this is not the MB for me and my needs.

Well thats interesting. So If I choose to buy that memory DDR2 1200 and I run it on that mother board. Does it give me the option to run 1:1 at 1200= 2400 fsb? So I would Imagine there is a 2:1 or 1:2 which ever divider. Never the less I don't get the point. If the FSB support is 1066-1333 What is the max. FSB this board can achieve? If its 2400 fsb thats impressive! Other wise it looks like marketing to me. In other words when x38 comes out and it should by chance support 1333 &1600FSB with a selection in the bios to run DDR3@800 @1:1 I can select that option. Than I can proceed to O/C my cpu from 400mgz. Till the cpu maxes out . Or I hit a FSB wall. That is much more appealing to me.If using say Yorkfield . I know higher memory speeds are good. But I am planning On quad core so I think I am more interested in the FSB higher speeds.

[Turtle 1]

Thx for answering, i only had a hope that, since im buying myself a new mobo and ram,probably soon, to use with my pd945(for the moment), it would be cool if also the commando would support the new cpu`s next year, since i guess i will be buying a new one at that time. I not made of money, so, lol, have to progress at a slower pace, but i will be getting rid of the 945. Anyways, it looks to be a sweet board, but early to say. We will know soon enough, i guess.

Well I really not the guy to give you the ans. Your looking for. I do very simple O/C's Try to stay @ 1:1 and keep timings as tight as the DDR2 memory I choose to use. I don't like to loosen timing. So I will spend more $$ on the cpu inorder to achieve my objectives. Many here buy cheap CPU than o/c the hell out of them . So we have to differant objectives in our buying decisions. They need the best O/C M/Bs and Memory which cost more $$. I spend more on higher end CPU's and go for memory with tight timings. Than I choose a M/B that will meet my needs. Usually cheaper than the Max performance M/B. I haven't run into the so called 1333 strap issue. or the 400mgz issue on the P965. Because I don't go that direction .

I do know that on the first post in this thread I believe Tony gave the pics of Bios options (Sorry just M/B pics) . So look their to see if 1333 fsb is supported. Yes Commando will support the new cpu . Having A 1333fsb strap is not the end all solution for you. For me however its important as I like the 1:1 ratio.

here's an example of what we do this is what my wifes machine is setup to. Badaxe M/B 6800 cpu Corsair 2x512 ul 5400 .Timings 3-2-2-8
In the bios we choose 1066 DDR2533 1;1 O/C the cpu to 350mhz fsb That gives her 3.85ghz DDR2 700 = 1400 fsb. Will it break records no. But its very fast and stable on water cooling and it runs 24/7 . She hasn't had 1 problem with it since she put it together. Simple reliable and fast.

I do it the way I described it to you . I run 1:1 and work up till i hit my target with tight timings.. If its stable I am happy. I will say . A lot of people are pushing me to go extreme. Because we do have the resources. But the first time I melted down a M/B I know I would cry. LOL.

[Revv23]

Ya your right. But C2d has so much potential the guys are excited. Of all the M/B the the one that disappointed me the most was the RD600 not because of its performance but because of the 8x pci-e slots. Had AMD not bought ATI it would be a 3x 16x pci chipset. I will bet anything the AMD version is 3x 16x pci-e slots. I am also beginning to think that the R600 XF will be like the G80gtx sli and will only work on with 2x 16x pci-e M/B that will effectively knock the Intel chipset out of the high end XF market. I doubt if AMD cares if they sell 2x cards to C2D users.

WTF thats not true at all, ATi planned the board as 2x8x from the beggining stop spreading you BS.

[alpha0ne]

Hmm it seems to me there are far too many shills @ XS these days with opinions that many take (unfortunately) as being knowledgeable when in fact its the opposite