The demo of AMD's Barcelona...

[informal]

Edit By Lithan: Two threads, both about Barcelona, both refering articles from same author, both refering articles that say little more than "Task manager, har har har". Bordering on flamebate. Stop spamming the forums with links to fanboy articles just to start more intel V AMD trash talk. Keep talk about the Barcelona demo in this thread. I've also deleted close to 50% of the combined total of the thread... because guess what, that little line of text that says "XTREME NEWS" does not translate to "XTREME debating who's cpu manufacturer is best".

AMD IS FINALLY lifting the covers on Barcelona today, demoing it for the first time this afternoon at an analyst conference in California. It is going to show the new quad core parts running outside of the labs for the first time ever.

Don't expect many fireworks though, we are told the demo consists of a four socket, 16 core beast running, wait for it, task manager! Yes, task manager, that hugely transactional FP heavy system thrasher will be shown off working away on all 16 cores. We are told it scales flawlessly across the cores, probably the crowning achievement of HT in action.

Seriously though, it is early, it is running to the point where it will boot Windows 2003, and it does it in a 4S configuration. That is no small feat, but it is still a bit underwhelming. I would have much preferred it to be running a demo, or even showing it's clock speed, neither of which I am told will happen.

The end result from today is that it works, it boots Windows, and nothing else new. No more specs, and I really doubt attendees will be allowed to play with it. It is a big step but it leaves me wanting a lot more. µ

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36083

It's theInq,i know,but at least it's Charlie D.'s news,not Fuads .

[[XC] Teroedni]

And he also got a sens of humor

Don't expect many fireworks though, we are told the demo consists of a four socket, 16 core beast running, wait for it, task manager! Yes, task manager, that hugely transactional FP heavy system thrasher will be shown off working away on all 16 cores. We are told it scales flawlessly across the cores, probably the crowning achievement of HT in action.

[madcho]

i smell gold ( member ) CPU.

[nn_step]

oooh, can't wait to see how they clock

[alayashu]

hopefully some better demos are released these weeks.
though 30-40-50% faster clock/clock compared to the K8 under FP apps isnt that bad :P

[red]

http://virtualexperience.amd.com/ind...re&co=quadcore
..They show off 1 bench barely ahead of Intel's current quad and show another where they are a good ways ahead. Too bad it wasn't with an actual system.

I consider Prescott to be more different from Northwood than K8L from K8 but hey.

[madcho]

i believed the demo was the next top from AMD vs intel QX6700

[Lightman]

Another Links

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/061130/20061130005764.html?.v=1



Now if we would know clock speed of QuadCore CPU ...

[w0mbat]

K8L is 10% K8.

[madcho]

specfp_rate of the 2220SE is 2100, the Xeon 5355 is about 2500, and X4 +40% about 2220SE about 2900

[Lightman]

specfp_rate of the 2220SE is 2100, the Xeon 5355 is about 2500, and X4 +40% about 2220SE about 2900

And if those numbers are close to real and Quad is @2.8GHz like 2220SE then it's amazing

[accord99]

specfp_rate of the 2220SE is 2100, the Xeon 5355 is about 2500, and X4 +40% about 2220SE about 2900

Those are the SPECfp scores.

The fastest SPECfp_rate for the 2220SE is 96.0.
Xeon 5160: 82-84
Xeon 5355: 100-104
Opteron 8220SE: 175-178

1.4X the 5355 gives Barcelona a score of ~140.

[gOJDO]

the_INQ should not be used as a source for any information or technical data.
Anyway, there are other sources saying the same:
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/11/30/am...ore_barcelona/

[vitaminc]

impressive, but some detail are well hidden. the "estimated" performance lead on their slides says that K8L aint anywhere near stable yet so its probably a0 or a1 stage.

amd will probably stop the market share loss on the server side, but they still need some cheap and good dual core stuff to maintain their mainstream market.

wonders who is going to get quad core for home usage. these stuff is probably not going mainstream. QFX is a bit too over. 8 cores lol.

[madcho]

my source says A2 silicon is being distributed to a few testers right now.

can't get anything else out of him though.

AMD could you Give me one please

[onewingedangel]

Those performance 'estimates' look off, the xeon 5160 comapred to opteron 2220se don't seem right, as as such I'd have to question the whole charts validity.

I'm guessing AMD are only showing this off as a stopgap, probably due to the demo setups not being ready in time. Hopefully in a few weeks they'll be showing working setups to interested partners, and some more information will start to emerge.

I'm hoping k8l will have a good deal of performance, but providing questionable charts and not running demoes doesn't stifle my reservations that k8l will be notably underpowered compared to yorkfield for home use. I'm hoping I'll be proved wrong so that competition will mean better prices and Intel/AMD's desire to progress faster.

[vitaminc]

Those performance 'estimates' look off, the xeon 5160 comapred to opteron 2220se don't seem right, as as such I'd have to question the whole charts validity.

I'm guessing AMD are only showing this off as a stopgap, probably due to the demo setups not being ready in time. Hopefully in a few weeks they'll be showing working setups to interested partners, and some more information will start to emerge.

I'm hoping k8l will have a good deal of performance, but providing questionable charts and not running demoes doesn't stifle my reservations that k8l will be notably underpowered compared to yorkfield for home use. I'm hoping I'll be proved wrong so that competition will mean better prices and Intel/AMD's desire to progress faster.

Bolded for what I am thinking.

[Kingcarcas]

Give me benches!!!!

My video encoding can never be too fast.

On one of my old systems that once took me about 12 hours With the X2@2.6ghz it takes 15-30 minutes It might get too fast if i don't have time to even get a sandwhich

[arisythila]

Take this for what its worth, but a friend of mine, that has REAL good AMD ties. just wrote this to me.

anonymous: AMD QUADCORE is outperforming FX-62 @ 170%
anonymous: lol
anonymous: native quadcore!

Like I said, take it for what its worth.

~Mike

[Lightman]

Take this for what its worth, but a friend of mine, that has REAL good AMD ties. just wrote this to me.

anonymous: AMD QUADCORE is outperforming FX-62 @ 170%
anonymous: lol
anonymous: native quadcore!

Like I said, take it for what its worth.

~Mike

Did he mention in what application??
BTW 170% when 100% means 2x faster?? or when means equal speed??

PS. You must buy a pack of beers for your friend! Mayby then he will tell you more

[Afterburner]

Can anyone confirm if Chartered is making a Quad-Core variant as of now...

I happened to look into a pod today and saw a wafer that had Dies looking like Quad-Cores... On each Die, there were 4 small identical looking cores accompanied by more silicon on one side. They looked like AMD's cores only each a little longer than a regular core. My estimation of each Die size is approx 0.8 inch x 1 inch. Wats interesting is there was only one wafer in a pod that holds 25 and even more interesting is that it was in a production pod not a ES pod wich is differentiated by colours and a transparency ! You should have seen my face when I first saw the wafer...

[Ubermann]

I guess you looked like your avatar then..

[Afterburner]

[nn_step]

Can anyone confirm if Chartered is making a Quad-Core variant as of now...

I happened to look into a pod today and saw a wafer that had Dies looking like Quad-Cores... On each Die, there were 4 small identical looking cores accompanied by more silicon on one side. They looked like AMD's cores only each a little longer than a regular core. My estimation of each Die size is approx 0.8 inch x 1 inch. Wats interesting is there was only one wafer in a pod that holds 25 and even more interesting is that it was in a production pod not a ES pod wich is differentiated by colours and a transparency ! You should have seen my face when I first saw the wafer...

no one will confirm it but amd is pushing ahead rapidly

[Lightman]

If this definitely was a production wafer then it means that AMD finished testing stage and A2 silicon is final one . Good news Afterburner!