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tested all working values (ie ones that didn't cause artifacts) at stock speeds. These are the best I have found, with them i gain over 5 full frames per second in nature at the same clocks vs. stock timings.
TRCDRD: 7
TRCDWR: 3
TRP: 5
TRAS: 13
TRRD: 4
TWR: 6
TR2W: CL+2
TW2R: 4
TR2R: USE TWR RULE
TR2R: 2
WR_LATENCY: 1.5
CAS_LATENCY: 7
CMD_LATENCY: 0
STR_LATENCY: WR LATENCY
REFRESH_RATE: 0x75
TRFC: 23
Thanks for this eshbach:)
How do the best timing affect overall speeds? Did they lower your clocks at all?
my max benchable memory clock is unaffected but i do start to get artifacts earlier.
stickied! :D
great work ehsbach! thx a lot for sharing :)
what are the best timings to reach the highest mem speed? maybe loose timings help to reach high enough speeds to make up for the worse latency again?
Good results....5 frames accounted for.
thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
i will work on this next and post when i have the info.
tested on my x850xt.
i noticed a very good boost in low detail tests in 01, and a few in high detail. 10fps in nature.
a+ settings! :)
The settings gave me a big boost in nature and a bit in drag but I had to clock the memory down from 668 to 650 to be artifact free...
Wow!
How long did it take to figure this out?
My nature vent from 258.8 to 265 on stock frequencies.
GJ :toast:
how is your nature so much higher than mine! :mad: :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonman
im at only 255 stock with these timings. eshbach gets 263... what gives!
I have catalyst 5.1Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil_Spork
2.7Ghz cpu
245 Mhz bh-5 mem
Is that it?
Looks like a nice job , well done :)
actually 264.5 before timings and 269.6 after timings w/ stock 2ghz cpu and 200mhz ram.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil_Spork
Yes, it starts to artifact earlier, but if you wanted to you might still be able to bench at 668 without it crashing.Quote:
The settings gave me a big boost in nature and a bit in drag but I had to clock the memory down from 668 to 650 to be artifact free...
Gave me a boost from 661 to 678 in drago low and 276 to 286 in nature (580/600MHz stock cooling and voltage, FX-55@3200MHz). These timings sky rocketed the temp of the memory and gave me artifacts as early as 605MHz. So I did a quick setup of active cooling and managed to match the default timings in max-oc.
Good job there eshbach!
hm.that's a nice result for tweakering.
What heatsink is good for oc and low temp for X800XL?
ATI silencer 5? zalman any good, not the 80D-HD one.
Hmmm what program are you using to adjust the cards mem as ati tool 0023 or whatever the mem settings bit is corrupt??? this is with an x850xtpe
for X850 you'll need the .24 version.Quote:
Originally Posted by fatty
I'm getting corruption (straight after applying settings) on my Asus X800XT.
And some of the "optimal" settings listed here seem to be increasing the latency (e.g. for some..value (original) 6 to (supposedly optimal)7)
Does the Asus X800Xt have a different BIOS?
Does you X800XT have 1.6ns or 2.0ns RAM?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xassius
i think since XT RAM is rated at 500mhz it may have difficulty doing these timings.
and based on my bios, only one timings goes up and it does actually boost performance setting it higher rather than lower.
wow I wish I had an x850 to test this out! Hopefully soon!;)
great tweaking. Is there any tool to tweaks geforce timings ?
I'm curently running my x850xt pe @ stock settings. Will the stock cooler allow me to run those memory settings without artifacts? Or do I need some better cooling?
Edit: I have tried the memory settings and they are kickass!
Testrig:
AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Newcastle (stock)
DFI NF4 Ultra-D
G.Skill PC4400Le @ 200mhz 2-2-2-7
Sapphire X850XT Pe 540/590
Before the memory tweaks:
3dmark 2001se: 260**
3dmark 2003: 132**
3dmark 2005: 6332
After the memory tweaks:
3dmark 2001se: 262**
3dmark 2003: 134**
3dmark 2005: 6417
Nice tweaks, but when I scanned for artifacts with Atitool I had artifact @ stock settings, so extra cooling is a must have.
I tried the tweaks on 3d05 and only gained about 45 points... within the margin of error. but atleast you guys are getting good results
btw is there anyway to make it so that ur computer boots with these settings?
3d01 result?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxxxRacer
which card exactly and what bios?
are you sure the timings applied correctly?
Great performance leap !
But... Damn its hard on the card..
Tested at my "std" settings, the one I use normally... Reached 29960 marks i 01SE, and 288xx before, quiet a leap... But I wanted to test at my "bench" setup, couldnt even apply,... It seems my mem has to go 20 mhz down than topspeed, and then it doesnt pay :( - Got 200 marks less than without the tweaking - but hey - Just my card, great job mate :)
Best regards
1 2 know
so does it make up for the lower oc? or do you get higher scores benching with the stock timings and higher ocs? im talking artifact free :D
glad to help you push past the 8k mark, great score.Quote:
Originally Posted by SIK_L_CELL
@saaya: So far it seems to varry from card to card. I get the same maximum clock speed, but without more cooling it does artifact a little more.
with more cooling it artifacts a little more? then remove the extra cooling! :lol: j/k :D
you mean with the tweaked timings it artifacts a little more?
for me (and a few others it seems) running the tweaked timings causes more artifacts when running at max OC unless extra cooling is added to the ram. i get no artifacts at stock speed with these timings.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
hope that clears it up.
Tried the timings.
Almost +600 in 3D01 :)
Wow, I'm gonna try to figure out these onmy only ati card (9200). Does anyone here know if I can do these on an NVidia cards?
This killed my FarCry stutters! Great work man...:D
So logically when you turn down the timings you lose max mhz... Just like with ram in PC? Hehe...
The question then is if it gives more performance with low timings low mhz or high timings high mhz...
Im not gonna meddle with my timings if my max mhz drops... I think you can max gain .% performance and its just not worth it :P But thats just me...
worked great for me
Caused mine to lock up and artifact. I'll have to try with individual settings one at a time.
yes please post back with which one caused the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by uclajd
Anny news on the max mhz posibel?
Nice results. What type of watercooling do you use on your X850XT PE?Quote:
Originally Posted by SIK_L_CELL
And how many volts do you use on your gpu?
This is what I see when I open the mem config in ATI Tool 0.0.23 on X850 PE
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ATItoolmem.jpg
try atitraytool!
I see the same with ati tool 0.0.23 on x850xt pe...
edit:
the timings didn't work :slapass:
computer reboots in all benchmarks, perhaps it is the psu, but i don't know.
Does anyone have the full list of the stock timings?
it actually varies a bit between bios/manufacturers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fosco
ya know I tried those on my card and not only did I lose performance rather than gain any it also lowered my OC lol. odd eh? hmmm back to the tweaking drawing board.
not the 9800 in your sig i hope...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerm
¿And timings for a 6800GT? :( :stick:
great job eshbach! bumped up my score by ~350 points in 3dmark03.
did a little test changning just TRP and the rest stock timings yesterday:
card is a X800Pro Vivo@XT PE (AGP), no v-mods
maxclock TRP 5 is 625MHz:
Drago low: 445.0
Drago high: 222.9
Nature: 249.9
625MHz with TRP 6:
Drago low: 445.0
Drago high: 222.3
Nature: 247.7
and now for the interesting...maxclock TRP 6:
660MHz:
Drago low: 446.6
Drago high: 223.3
Nature: 256.3
car high and low actually managed 670MHz :)
haven't tried with the timings you posted though. so don't know how that would work with TRP 6...
Thanks for the timings - awesome! Got 90 more points in 3Dmark05 at stock settings.
I didn't back up my original settings - assuming the reset button would bring everything back to stock - anyone can give me the stock timings for an ATI x850 xt pe pci-e ( ATI version)
Thanks
Mike
haha no I was trying it on my X800XTQuote:
Originally Posted by eshbach
I like this thread but I was expirimenting with the timings and found out this timings are way better for dragon low/high:
TRCDRD: 7
TRCDWR: 4
TRP: 5
TRAS: 14
TRRD: 5
TWR: 7
TR2W: CL+3clock
TW2R: 3
TR2R: USE TWR RULE
TR2R: 2
WR_LATENCY: 1.5
CAS_LATENCY: 7
CMD_LATENCY: 0
STR_LATENCY: WR LATENCY
REFRESH_RATE: 0x45
TRFC: 27
This gives me 577 on my timings vs 565 at your timings in drag low.
And 300 vs 295 in high dragon.
Can other people please test this if this is true, because i think there are best memtimings for each game test in 01se.
wow, good thinking trying different timings on each test. I only did my testing with nature, but you may be on to something.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Snorro
Im sad to say my result was the same as Nerm. I lost 400 points in nature. :(
Here are the stock timings for my card.
TRCDRD: 7
TRCDWR: 4
TRP: 5
TRAS: 6
TRRD: 6
TWR: 7
TR2W: CL+2
TW2R: 1
TR2R: USE TWR RULE
TR2R: 3
WR_LATENCY: 1.5
CAS_LATENCY: 4 = 7 gave me bad lines on screen and a reboot:shrug:
CMD_LATENCY: 0
STR_LATENCY: WR LATENCY
REFRESH_RATE: 0x75
TRFC: 23
Ill try playing with the timings a little to see if i can come up with a good combo for my card. Good thread:up: Subscribed!
for those having problems, perhaps try flashing to the ATI reference bios?
I can't find that in Ati tray tools 1.02, also where is TW2RSame Bank?Quote:
TR2R: USE TWR RULE
download atitool :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Napoleonic
why should I dl Ati tools? is it better?
Would these timing tweaks work for the X800 XL? I'm guessing probably not, but I thought I'd ask anyway. :)
maybe if it has 1.6ns RAM, but i doubt it will work well on 2.0ns. wouldn't hurt to try.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcnbns
I was hoping that those timings would work for me too, but sadly they don't; eshbach's still give best FPS, both in Nature and Drag's. The timings that you posted are actually almost identical to my stock timings -- only refresh_rate is changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Snorro
Just thought I'd chime in and let you guys know.
Props to eshbach though, never thanked you, but those timings give me ~7fps in Nature and a boost in the Drag's too :cool:
This is what I would like to know. Everytime I try to scan for artifacts with ATITool (.23) and stock settings I still get artifacts yet I play games with no issues @ 1600x1200 (Doom3, Dawn of War)Quote:
Originally Posted by Napoleonic
:confused:
This timings helped me break 97K in AM3 with a stock cooled card, thanks a lot. I didn't even test them on other benches yet, i imagine i'll see the same results.
Even boosted my x800XL, nice work.
Help guys, I just tried these timings, got a performance drop and now when I use my stock timings (which I had written down), I get almost 100FPS less in Drago Low. The other tests are fine.
My guess is that I've confosed some of the timings, can someone post the stock timings for a Club3D X800XL please? Thanks...
Nevermind, solved it. These timings dropped my Drag Low by 2FPS but gave Drag High and Nature a healthy 3 respectively 6.7FPS boosts. Definatly a keeper :D
(it was artifact city at my 24/7 overclock though, so I'll only use them for benching...)
Could anyone please give me the default settings for an X850 XT? I accidentally overwrote them and I want to make sure that I have them to fall back on.
Thanks
Can someone post the stock default timings for an x800 XL?
Far as I know from opening the ATI.X850XT.256.Samsung16.041108.bin bios with RiBiTv1.7
TRCDRD: 8
TRCDWR: 6
TRP: 8
TRAS: 14
TRRD: 6
TWR: 4
TR2W: CL+1clock
TW2R: 5
TR2R: USE TW2R RULE
TR2R: 3
WR_LATENCY: 1.5 <--- unsure for the rest of the timings
CAS_LATENCY: 7
CMD_LATENCY: 0
STR_LATENCY: WR LATENCY
REFRESH_RATE: ?
TRFC: ?
Anyone know what the ? are.
Can these timings do good with X800XL ?
i have test them white my x800pro and they work to on a pro
whitout the tweak
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8619571
whit mem tweak
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8619592
Nice results. :toast:
almoste 60fps with tis mem tweak in nature :banana:
They dont work with ati tray tools, they dont have same values.
So ati tool is the only if you want it correct.
This is the value that make mem artifact faster:
TRCDWR: 3 instead of 4
Correct values if you use ATI tray tools:
My PowerColor does 570/560 at stock timings ..i want 600 a memory
What timings shuld i use ??
Have tryed som of yours.. but only gets 575.. end 100+ in 3dmark 05
Well, this is the second straight card that just doesn't like eshbach's enhanced timings. This time my new x800xt-pe when set to these timings will artifact even at stock speeds lol. I guess I am destined to bench on the stock mem timings for my video cards lol.
I have messed with the settings alot. I determinded with my card particular card there was no articfacts, yet if let looping something like 3Dmark or ATi tool for any length of time, if would lock the card up at some stage sooner or later.
can you post the tweaks? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by blind_ripper
I don't like how when I use these timings if I overclock 1Mhz over stock I get 10000 artifacts using the Zalman V700-Cu as well. Can someone who has a X850XT PE or just X850XT what there temps are with the Zalman V700-Cu.
619/627MHz
3DMark 03
stock - 15352
tweaked - 15620
3DMark 05
stock - 7411
tweaked - 7561
Thx! :toast:
I found that these settings worked best for my X800xl (gained about 6fps in nature)
7
4
6
12
4
6
CL+3
4
TWR Rule
2
2.0
7
0
WR Latency
0x3B
23
dont forget to test your timings.
found they are good for benchs.
though long stability loop testing, found that many timings cause the card to fail (kick out of game or bench)
Just for people's info:
I'm using a Sapphire X850XT (not PE) and eshbach's timings gained me 180 points in 3DMark '05 when the card is at stock.
I did some testing and this is roughly equivalent to a 48 Mhz increase on the memory clock.
In addition, here are my stock memory timings:
TRCDRD: 7
TRCDWR: 4
TRP: 6
TRAS: 14
TRRD: 5
TWR: 7
TR2W: CL+3clock
TW2R: 3
TR2R: USE TW2R RULE
TR2R: 2
WR_LATENCY: 1.5
CAS_LATENCY: 7
CMD_LATENCY: 0
STR_LATENCY: WR LATENCY
REFRESH_RATE: 0x20
TRFC: 27
:banana: :banana: :banana:
:woot:
eshbach - you are a total genius!
Your timings helped me creep into the next 1k in 3DMark '05!
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1284492
LOL @ the score!
I only had to drop somewhere between 6 - 20 Mhz off the memory clock, but using your timings gave me the extra 200 points I needed to get 8k!
Have a beer! :toast:
EDIT - I'd be intrigued to know what people's experience would be of using different refresh times. I calculated the best refresh for me to be 0x23, but didn't bother to test more. 0x75, as suggested by eshbach, sounds too slow to me.
I suspect refresh would be more of a stability setting than a performance setting. Those of you on DFI boards - think about the Tref setting in the BIOS...
Just tried them on my BBA ATI x800xl and I got artifacts in windows, had to reboot lol. Gonna play with some of these now instead of writing my English paper :)Quote:
Originally Posted by CanadianTSi
Could somebody post the settings of his x850xt PE?
Thanks :toast: (and sry for my English)
not shure if it has been posted but the 7800gtx uses the same 1.6ns ram that the x850 uses if someone knows what timings it uses then in theory you could make a custom x850 bios that would be able to overclock to almost 1400 ram! does anyone know what these timings are?
I`m check "Memory refresh rate", ATT bench.
Default is 35 - 7250
Maximum 255 - 7290
0.55% :(.
Does anyone know why ATI Tray Tools reports almost completely different memory timings?
Thats a wicked idea, would wish somehow it could be possible without some sort of advanced coding/hacking of the bios to make it trick out. Maybe its a hardware limitation would make such a thing impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by sean478
Personally I have virtually tryed every timings setting possible with the X800 and no luck getting any better (well not at least 100% stable).
Good thing is the X800 and X850 still stack up well to ATI's lastest offering and is still DX9 based, so no need to feel as being far technologically behind in the hardware (for those of use that cannot afford the lastest and greatest immediately as something new is released).
So, I`m trying...
Reference X850XTPE
Stock vs Modify
7250 vs 7400
+2% perfomance. No bad :).
TWR ->6
TW2R ->0
TR2R ->1
Memory Refresh Rate ->255
TRFC ->16
3DMark05 6537 ->6607 (+1%)
Any Results of Connect3D X800GTO @ XT yet? Tried eshbach's settings and this worked well for me. ~100Pt. gain in 3D05. But 20Mhz decrease in Mem-Clock. All Results @ X800GTO @ XT (i haf 2 upd8 ma sig..)
E: upd8 finished.
I disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by deltarealm
Many posts in this thread show lower timings outweigh the slightly reduced overclock, meaning latency is the limiting factor.
My results (see previous posts in this thread) show approx. 15 Mhz reduction in clock speed as a result of the tighter timings, but the tighter timings equate to 50 Mhz clock speed increase!
i seem to have made an intersting find :)
(i'm sphere)
http://www.overclock.net/showthread.php?t=52797
with the cf bios i am able to get a little over 15 more mhz out of my ram :) (but the cf bios is gehy if not on a cf card... :stick: )
I'll flash my card with these settings, but I can't find some options in the BIOS Editor:
CMD_LATENCY: 0
STR_LATENCY: WR LATENCY
REFRESH_RATE: 0x75
TRFC: 23
And there's 5 options you haven't specified here:
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/6719/imagem0de.jpg
How should I set them?
I'd like to know that too??? :confused:
My guide is for changing the timings with ATI tool, not for bios. I haven't tested timings with any bios editors.
can anybody help me... i nvr overclock my cpu and my x850xt but my idle temp is around 54degree and full load is at 91 degree. previously i did change the memory setting but howeer i had already format my pc, the ram setting still stay inside my bios?
how did you edit them? :)
under the memory setting in ati tool lor... just use the drop down box and adjust it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sean478
that way i believe can be saved to be aplied every time windows starts but other than that it's not perminant :) it doesn't change your bios it just overrides it :) :)