SuperPi 1MB is now dead ! => what will replace it ?

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11-04-2004, 02:25 AM
zytrahus

SuperPi 1MB is now dead ! => what will replace it ?

Hi,

Just some words to say what I think about "the new superpowerfull superpi104" ...

The new tweak has completely kill superpi. Before it, it was already difficult to make a right comparative between the different realases (japanese superpi ; english release... ), but now there is really no interest to use it...

I could understand that somebody wants tweak to his own use, but I really don't understand how this "somebody" could use it to run for overclocking results.

Superpi didn't have any "optimisation" for current cpus so it was a good way to compare each cpu : AMD or Intel ; frequency ; memory ; cache... Each parametre had its own influence.

I know I'm the only one who find this tweak as poor as s*** and I just want give my thanks to "the superpi killer". I don't want to know who is it, I just hope a way to replace this small bench (with maybe more accuracy in result) :D

../..
11-04-2004, 02:29 AM
Kunaak

I know I personally won't be giving a damn anymore when I see super Pi shots from intel. but Super Pi is still very valid for AMD Xps and A64's, and Intel Northwoods.

but honestly, I always perferd Hexus Pi-fast myself.
11-04-2004, 02:31 AM
Mini

Is it the prescott optimizations???

The 1 that lets the prescott use all of its powers instead of limiting it???

A bit lame that a prescott is only faster than the NW-C cuz of the bigger cache... It has ALOT more features that now can be used ;)

This is like saying that dual channel ram is cheat :D

Cuz not every1 has it... Only socket 939 A64 have it ;( *BUHU*

NOTE: If it is not the prescott optimized thingy then disregard this reply
11-04-2004, 02:32 AM
bias_hjorth

I agree with you zytrahus. Whoever did the patch should take a standing applause. :" Thank you for destroying a great benchmark"
11-04-2004, 02:35 AM
bias_hjorth

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mini

Is it the prescott optimizations???

The 1 that lets the prescott use all of its powers instead of limiting it???

A bit lame that a prescott is only faster than the NW-C cuz of the bigger cache... It has ALOT more features that now can be used ;)

This is like saying that dual channel ram is cheat :D

Cuz not every1 has it... Only socket 939 A64 have it ;( *BUHU*

NOTE: If it is not the prescott optimized thingy then disregard this reply

Dude why are you even answering this thread. The reply tends to disagree with your own word. You´re talking about we should stop whining and in the note you´ say its okay. That like I said that you shouldnt answer my reply cause of ignorrence than less its about the reply. :rolleyes:
11-04-2004, 02:36 AM
zytrahus

I don't think Dual Channel and the prescott optimization have a way to be compared ;)

Saying this optimization is not a bad thing because it works only on prescott, is not looking very far : All future Intel cpus and certainly AMD ones could work with this optimization and so there won't be only one cpu working with the cheat...
11-04-2004, 02:40 AM
bias_hjorth

I dont even think its the Prescott that have some sort of optimization, I honestly think that its the program thats optimized for a larger cache combined with a longer pipe. But I could be wrong :/
11-04-2004, 02:43 AM
Crankster

It's a wholly different benchmark.
Really Mini, do you belive what you post?
11-04-2004, 02:53 AM
Sons_of_Piru

i agree
this patch has killed superpi :(
11-04-2004, 03:09 AM
Mini

I think its fine.. Seriously... I dont even have a prescott...

I have heard that it lets the prescott use some of its instructions and stuff... Thats what i am thinking is ok...

If this is a cheat identifying the prescott and running another or faster bench by cutting something away then it sux...

But its like 3dmark... ATI optimizes 3dmark05.. So does Nvidia... If its the same benchmark they run and no quality is lost then its IMO not a cheat...

Edit: Then again... If Futuremark made a patch that ONLY improved ATI or Nvidia or AMD/intel performance that would suck...

But 3dmark05 is the same... Nvidia has SM3.0... ATI doesnt...

Prescott has new instructions... A64 and NW dont?
11-04-2004, 03:16 AM
zytrahus

Right of 3dmark 2k3 2k5, but CPU influence is not important and these bench are made for GPU now... At the first 3Dmark (2k1 we already found some optimizations.)

The most important interest of superpi was is "non optimized" way, then :
- overclocking
- tweaking mobos
- killing task in windows to reduce task and memory

are not cheat, but modding the "code" of the *.EXE is.
11-04-2004, 03:25 AM
CodeRed

I wonder what the Japanese overclockers think about this prescott cheat?
11-04-2004, 03:38 AM
Nazaar

they are probably not thinking, they are just pouring ln2 on their cpu's
:stick:

no seriously, i think superpi is still good for some AXP and a64 benching...
11-04-2004, 03:46 AM
LorD_Kvadd

I've always liked superpi. I had a hard time to get it stable and it's (was?) a though test for the computer. Is there no way to keep the modified versions apart from the original? So everybody's going to run PiFast now or what?
11-04-2004, 03:46 AM
TodB

Sorry for the offtopic, but is there a link that I can use to download that prog?? couldn't find it anywhere on the web...
11-04-2004, 03:47 AM
funkflix

That patch really sucks!

@ mini

I'm sure u can optimize SuperPi for all newer proz. but we dont want that!!
U get it?

@zytrahus

I thin in ur SuperPi-List are two faked nforce2/XP results. Look @ 35sec,
there are one with 11,5 x 200 2,5 3 3 6 and one with 12 x 202 2 3 2 6,
thats wont work! U need 11 x 250 2-2-2-11 to get 35sec SuperPI, and i need
11,5 x 247 2-2-2-11 to get it! :)
11-04-2004, 03:53 AM
zytrahus

thanks for message.
The DB was a temp one... I wanted add screen to valid it, but I was out of time.... And now, I think I'm going to find an other bench (maybe pifast) and rewrite a DB directly on http://www.cooling-masters.com
11-04-2004, 03:57 AM
Mini

Aha.. Then thats your problem...

Use the old superpi??? Or pifast???

I think optimizations are fine ;)

Its still all about tweaking... Now the prescott can just show its full power in superpi... Before it was limited...

But hey if its because you want a simple pi calculator that has no difference wether you run it on a celeron or an a64 then i can understand it...

I just always thought of superpi as another benchmark ;)

Whatever goes without cheating goes... IMO...
11-04-2004, 04:00 AM
Bennah

Yea Super PI looks likes its dead for sure for prescotts.

A very bad shame as prescotts like the 3.6E's can overclock insanely and could of broke into the 23 sec range but now, we dont know if its going to be correct.
11-04-2004, 04:05 AM
funkflix

Quote:

Originally Posted by zytrahus

thanks for message.
The DB was a temp one... I wanted add screen to valid it, but I was out of time.... And now, I think I'm going to find an other bench (maybe pifast) and rewrite a DB directly on http://www.cooling-masters.com

Anyway, thanks for adding so fast ;)

@ Mini

U dont get it, but np its ur opinion! :)
11-04-2004, 04:06 AM
zytrahus

The only point is irelevant in using this cheating patch is that teh difference between a prescott using the patch and a A64 has really no meaning because of the benchmark is not running in the same way with a prescott (with patch) and a A64...

Continue to use it for his own use, why not, but filling a DB with this is simply cheat, that's all... it doesn't sound difficult to understand
11-04-2004, 04:07 AM
zytrahus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bennah

Yea Super PI looks likes its dead for sure for prescotts.

Yes !
like all the next Intel processors able to work with the "cheat patch" ...
11-04-2004, 04:15 AM
bias_hjorth

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mini

Its still all about tweaking... Now the prescott can just show its full power in superpi... Before it was limited...

You really think thats the case? Come on dude - No one in here besides you believes that.. Changeing the code in a simple PI calculator has nothing to do with prescott optimizions. Thats like 3dmurk if you catch my drift.
And do you honestly think that the prescott should gain the around 2sec with the cheat. Do you think its 2 sec faster than before and therefore rated correctly?
11-04-2004, 04:17 AM
bias_hjorth

Quote:

Originally Posted by TodB

Sorry for the offtopic, but is there a link that I can use to download that prog?? couldn't find it anywhere on the web...

Lardsarse has it posted somewhere in the forums.
11-04-2004, 04:17 AM
st0nedpenguin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mini

Is it the prescott optimizations???

The 1 that lets the prescott use all of its powers instead of limiting it???

A bit lame that a prescott is only faster than the NW-C cuz of the bigger cache... It has ALOT more features that now can be used ;)

This is like saying that dual channel ram is cheat :D

Cuz not every1 has it... Only socket 939 A64 have it ;( *BUHU*

NOTE: If it is not the prescott optimized thingy then disregard this reply

Well then, surely if it's fair to use a Prescott only "optimisation" to enhance performance, there should be some alternative tweak for the Athlon64 platform too, and one for the Northwood, cause I'll guarantee both those CPU's could be optimised to run SuperPi faster too, considering the programs age?

It's not about the Prescott gaining performance with the patch, the problem is that no other CPU is gaining performance too, which to me, makes it an unfair benchmark now, especially as there's no way to visibly tell the difference between a patched and unpatched score, unless you know exactly what to look for.

And that, is why the poster is saying SuperPi is dead, and why i agree.

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